Loggin Duel

MikeOH58

MikeOH58

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Hey guys...Over the next month, a King Air 200 will be ferried back and fourth four times from Connecticut to Upstate NY for maintance, and various other things...Right now I only hold my PPL +Inst ticket, and have my com checkride scheduled for May 30th.....If I were to go on these trips with my CFI (who is the captain) and fly right seat, could I log these hours at duel recieved?
 
Well, if the two of you are dueling, I wouldn't log it or else somebody might go to jail . . .

However, if you want to log dual and he's an MEI, as long as he's actually teaching you . . . why not?

Somebody might question what a non-multi rated pilot would gain from dual in a B200 . . .
 
Ahhh...Dual. Thats how you spell it.

From everything i've looked up, it looks like it is legal, however, yea...It may look a little odd when my first 8-10 hours of dual multi instruction are in a B200 instead of a seminole or baron.

But, if I am legitamitely getting instruction during the flight, as odd as it would look for my first few hours in a multi, would it be that odd and result in a long explaination when I start flying professionally?
 
MikeOH58 said:
But, if I am legitimately getting instruction during the flight, as odd as it would look for my first few hours in a multi, would it be that odd and result in a long explanation when I start flying professionally?
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I seriously doubt anyone will ever look at the hours that close... bt as long as it's legitimate (which it appears to be), then who is to argue?
 
Just be sure to actually make an effort to learn the systems of the aircraft. Interviews may get a little funny when you have 10 hours of a really complex airplane but you can't explain the hydraulic/electrical/fuel/engines. I'm not trying to scare you away from this opportunity but just be ready to study a little bit. It's easier if you learn this stuff now anyway. By the time you get to other multis, they are all going to look simple by comparison.

PT6As are probably the simplest engine ever designed. IMO.
 
shucks. . .he has already taken enough #### for it. . . so much so I can't even gather enough steam to give him more #### about it. . .

DUAL!1
 
I wouldn't worry about it...go get the experience. I received my multi in a C-90...go figure. Thanks ERAU!! Helped me tons.:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :insane:

It was an interesting way to learn about flying a twin, and makes for some good stories about a college experience from long ago. I couldn't tell you a single system from it, but have never been asked either!
 
More than likely, whoever they interview with will ask them about the aircraft that they have the most time in. It still doesn't hurt to learn systems just in case they ask. A couple of instructors have given me the lecture about only logging time in aircraft that I have learned the systems of. I just don't want him getting in trouble in an interview. Take the time!!!! It's a great opportunity to learn and throw some hours in that logbook.
 
jml2992 said:
Just be sure to actually make an effort to learn the systems of the aircraft. Interviews may get a little funny when you have 10 hours of a really complex airplane but you can't explain the hydraulic/electrical/fuel/engines.
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Would you expect a 5-10 hour student pilot to have an intimate knowledge of a 172's systems? Doubt it. I doubt the interviewers could come up with much reason to question him on the systems, if he isn't logging PIC.

Make sure that his flights aren't being conducted under 135. He may get in trouble for having you in the right seat and it wouldn't be legal to receive instruction during those flights either.
 
The times I come up would only be while flying Part 91 without px. I do plan on learning all of the system. The Co Pilot with this airplane is leaving in October, so I plan on finishing my Com Multi by then, and going to King Air school, and starting my career flying right seat in this airplane with my old CFI.

I've flown about 13.8 hours total right seat in the King Air 200 so far...(havent logged anytime yet). It really is an awesome airplane. Sure feels good pulling the power back through beta, and then lifting up into reverse. But before I get ahead of myself, I know I need to learn the basics first, and actually get my ticket.
 
jml2992 said:
More than likely, whoever they interview with will ask them about the aircraft that they have the most time in. It still doesn't hurt to learn systems just in case they ask. A couple of instructors have given me the lecture about only logging time in aircraft that I have learned the systems of. I just don't want him getting in trouble in an interview. Take the time!!!! It's a great opportunity to learn and throw some hours in that logbook.
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Yeah, well, I have a good excuse if they ever asked me...it was in 93 that I did that, so I would ask them what grade of school they were in then and what they learned in that 2 week period.:insane:

Seriously, nobody has EVER looked at my logbook in an interview, and at this level now, nobody will. It's all about who I know, and I know a few people now. :D So, I just keep it up to date just in case (mostly for legal reasons, and because I want to know). Of course, I didn't go to one of the regionals, so go figure...
 
Stone Cold said:
Yeah, well, I have a good excuse if they ever asked me...it was in 93 that I did that, so I would ask them what grade of school they were in then and what they learned in that 2 week period.:insane:
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That is quite possibly the finest answer I've ever heard! :)

Back when we first deployed for Afghanistan, one of my VERY young lieutenants complained that she had "missed all the holidays", implying that we should cut her some slack.

I responded, "Well, back when I deployed for Desert Storm, I didn't get any sympathy letters from you and your eighth grade class you were in, so let's call it even!"
 
This is all very true. I guess you don't really need to know the systems and really should focus on the multi-engine aspects of flying the airplane. I just don't want anybody to get caught with their pants down but you folks may have a little more interview experience than I do, so I'll take your word. Enjoy the King Air and let us know how it goes.
 
Heres some pictures from this awesome airplane.

Moving map is way cool by the way...I could spend hours playing with that thing.

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JML,

You are absolutely correct if, and this is a big IF, he is going to log quite a bit of time in this aircraft, and he is planning on an airline career.

If it's just a ride-along for 10 hours type of thing with an MEI giving him instruction, as described above, knock yourself out. It'll be a great experience, along with a good story to tell in the interview when the time comes if anybody notices.
 
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