Republic Hires 430 Hr Pilot!

777forever said:
I DON'T appreciate you calling me out but you know what, you choose not to say anything because you don't know much. Good choice if you don't want to sound foolish.
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It's better for others to think you'are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!:D

My personal experience in life has tought me that I will be a better person, husband, son, brother, professional and so on when I listen to others. Even if I don't agree with your point I will still listen to you...

ATP is not the best school man! Perhaps for you it is! But not for Mary or John.

One reason why I agree with Mary/John

Flying solo in *my* opinion is crucial for an aspiring pilot. It's a good step in the overall decision making chain. And from what I heard ATP students don't get too many of those. I found out yesterday that my CFII who attended the 90-day program has only 12 hours solo. Not enough solo time the way I see it.




777forever said:
did I say I was? Just making a point that Im not the only one with my opinion for those telling me to shut up(CaptainEvegwhatever)
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It's Evangelista...pleased to meet you!

You tend to see things the wrong way my friend I did not tell you to shut up I told you to listen more (2 ears and 1 mouth not 2 ears).

Let's have a cold one someday and I'm SURE we will get along fine just fine.
 
Okay, here we go again. I used to think the same way 777Forever did. A low time guy with focused training from a CRJ course would be just as safe as a high time CFI applicant. Don't believe me? Do a search of posts of mine a couple of years ago. I dug my heels in, plugged my ears and ignored the guys with more experience than me and insisted I was correct. I had a whopping 200 hours at the time and was planning on MAPD and a fast track to Mesa. Lemme tell ya, I'm GLAD I didn't go that route. Why? The extra time and experience I took CFIing made me a better pilot and more prepared me for not only flying at a regional, but it also gave me some tools in my bag of tricks for when I upgrade and start acting as PIC again.

What made me change my mind? Studying for the CFI. Once I learned how much I *didn't* know, I changed my tune. Hell, I've got close to 650 hours in the CRJ, and I'm STILL learning new stuff from every CA I fly with. I can only imagine where I'd be if I was around 300 hours with less experience in the ATC system, weather flying, etc.

777, you can listen to the guys telling you "good job, kid" and "keep it up" all you want. Personally, I listen to the CAs I fly with that are actually FLYING with the low time guys, and they're scared for their lives and their certificates sometimes. Theory? Remember, gravity was once a "theory," too. All it could take is a plane running off the end of the runway with a low time FO on IOE to get the media all over this.....
 
kellwolf said:
All it could take is a plane running off the end of the runway with a low time FO on IOE to get the media all over this.....
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Doubtfull Steve,

If I told my friends who know nothing about aviation (like 95% of the population) that I was an airline pilot with 300 hours, their reaction...umm OK.

If I told them that I was an airline pilot with 3000 hours, their reaction...umm OK.

The non-flying public knows what the media tells them.

Senerio....A regional jet has a hard landing and goes off the side of the runway with a low time FO behind the yoke.

The talking heads..." A regional jet piloted by an expiereced pilot with OVER 300 hours of flight time went off the runway after a hard landing at ABC airport."

Now when I tell the guy flying your airplane makes less than the taxi driver that drove them to the airport....thats when the :eek: comes out.
 
777forever said:
A little about my background, I got most of my rating through the university 141 system. When I went to ATP for my multi and currently my CFIs, I was impressed by the training there. Much faster then university, with motivated instructors (On commission based pay). This is why I show much enthusiasm for the program. The main reason I went to ATP was to get multi-time so that I wasn't stuck like a lot of my friends at the university who had to purchase multi-time or wait for a 135 job. Ever heard the slogan "Get multi, Get hired" ?
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I never thought you'd start talking about SOSU like that...We can already see how educated you are b/c of how you talk about getting your "rating through the university 141 system." You got a Priv and Comm CERTIFICATE and an Instrument RATING. They are different.

You also must understand that ATP is a quicker program for one reason, you're paying to get everything done faster, so that's what they do. ATP trains you for the same certificates and ratings as the university but at the univ you must also complete at 4 year degree. Hmmm...think about that for a minute. So I think that your attack on the university program is solely b/c you fell behind in your training and your degree was going to be finished before your flight training was. Which is no big deal b/c it happens all the time for a number of reasons (ie money, time, kids, etc). Don't blame the university, blame yourself. I'm actually offended b/c as you know, I was an instructor there while you were enrolled there and you are now implying that we weren't motivated even though I know your instructor flew with you A LOT to finish up your instrument and commercial quickly.

Why do you think that multi time is the key to success in aviation?? Multi time is not the key, a well rounded and educated individual is the key. Your flight time will grow after that. Maybe you should spend some extra time instructing instead of going to a regional right away, to become well rounded and educated. You learn so much after 500+ hours of dual given. I no longer instruct at SOSU but I work for what you consider a lowly, disgraceful Part 135 operation. It's what they call in the industry, FREIGHT DAWG!! Just remeber when you're doing a visual parallel approach and you see that Baron haulin' a$$ passed you on final, that's me, giving you the bird!

Disclaimer: None of these remarks were meant to offend anyone other than 777forever, so I would like to apologize if you were so offended.
 
Good article Steve.......but it says nothing about his total time. It did mention he had 25 hours in type, but everyone has to have 25 hours at some point.

Their mistake was letting him land in foul weather when the company does not allow it. Thats the captains responsibility!

Seems like a isolated incedent....

Plus, the public watches their local news coverage which doesnt know the airline buisness from Adam (whatever the hell that means)
 
murphfly said:
I never thought you'd start talking about SOSU like that...We can already see how educated you are b/c of how you talk about getting your "rating through the university 141 system." You got a Priv and Comm CERTIFICATE and an Instrument RATING. They are different.

You also must understand that ATP is a quicker program for one reason, you're paying to get everything done faster, so that's what they do. ATP trains you for the same certificates and ratings as the university but at the univ you must also complete at 4 year degree. Hmmm...think about that for a minute. So I think that your attack on the university program is solely b/c you fell behind in your training and your degree was going to be finished before your flight training was. Which is no big deal b/c it happens all the time for a number of reasons (ie money, time, kids, etc). Don't blame the university, blame yourself. I'm actually offended b/c as you know, I was an instructor there while you were enrolled there and you are now implying that we weren't motivated even though I know your instructor flew with you A LOT to finish up your instrument and commercial quickly.

Why do you think that multi time is the key to success in aviation?? Multi time is not the key, a well rounded and educated individual is the key. Your flight time will grow after that. Maybe you should spend some extra time instructing instead of going to a regional right away, to become well rounded and educated. You learn so much after 500+ hours of dual given. I no longer instruct at SOSU but I work for what you consider a lowly, disgraceful Part 135 operation. It's what they call in the industry, FREIGHT DAWG!! Just remeber when you're doing a visual parallel approach and you see that Baron haulin' a$$ passed you on final, that's me, giving you the bird!

Disclaimer: None of these remarks were meant to offend anyone other than 777forever, so I would like to apologize if you were so offended.
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Murph, my comments never meant to degrade my flight training or education from SOSU. You simply took my comments out of context. SOSU built my foundation as a pilot and a person and I would never throw them under the bus by making negative comments about them.

When I first started posting on this forum Jtrain referred SOSU as a so so school. I defended my school promptly when he said that. Today, I was simply giving my opinion about ATP. Notice how I said University 141 system and did not say the school by name. I was referring to the University 141 system for training compared to part 61. I did not start my CFI at Southeastern because I CHOSE NOT TO. My degree is in aviation management. So I thought it would not be efficient to sit in Multi-engine ground and the 2 CFI ground schools for a semester, take up credit hrs, and delay my graduation. Rather I chose to finish my degree, get my multi during christmas break, which I did, study for my CFIs during spring semester, graduate, and get my CFIs. I said ATPs instructors were motivated, I did not say SOSU's instructors were not motivated, stop putting words into my mouth.

You were the first one criticizing me when I decided to go to ATP talking about Im paying more for ATP. The multi program at ATP was the same price as SOSU's multi flight training and that doesn't include the semester long multi ground tuition! My multi ground was 3 days. Ok, I said ratings instead of certificates, Im typing at 100 miles an hr then go about my business. You people need to stop pointing out little things when you get the big picture. You're insulting my education? I guarantee you my G.P.A is higher than yours, and I did the more difficult Aviation Management degree while you got a Professional Pilot degree. Hope piloting works for you because I don't know what you can do with that degree.

Multi-time is important because at least 100 required by most quality regionals. You should know how the instructors their struggle to get multi-time without going out and buying it. Once again, DO NOT put words into my mouth. The faculty and staff at SOSU have done so many things for me that I can promise I will return the favor to other students once I attain my goals. My two instructors at SOSU are good friends, and did wonders for me as a pilot. It OFFENDS me as a former schoolmate that you just take my comments out of context and put words into my mouth I never said.
 
ryanmickG said:
Good article Steve.......but it says nothing about his total time. It did mention he had 25 hours in type, but everyone has to have 25 hours at some point.

Their mistake was letting him land in foul weather when the company does not allow it. Thats the captains responsibility!

Seems like a isolated incedent....

Plus, the public watches their local news coverage which doesnt know the airline buisness from Adam (whatever the hell that means)
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Actually, it's still up in the air on who was flying. Company policy, the CA should have been the one landing. I actually know the CA, and he's pretty sharp and on his game. However, all it takes is an increased workload and an FO that's so distracted by the hideous WX conditions (especially if he doesn't have a lot of IMC time under his belt) that forgets to arm the TRs....
 
kellwolf said:
Actually, it's still up in the air on who was flying. Company policy, the CA should have been the one landing. I actually know the CA, and he's pretty sharp and on his game. However, all it takes is an increased workload and an FO that's so distracted by the hideous WX conditions (especially if he doesn't have a lot of IMC time under his belt) that forgets to arm the TRs....
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Airline talk gives me tired head.


Sooo....learn to ride a bike yet? :D
 
777forever said:
Murph, my comments never meant to degrade my flight training or education from SOSU. You simply took my comments out of context. SOSU built my foundation as a pilot and a person and I would never throw them under the bus by making negative comments about them.

When I first started posting on this forum Jtrain referred SOSU as a so so school. I defended my school promptly when he said that. Today, I was simply giving my opinion about ATP. Notice how I said University 141 system and did not say the school by name. I was referring to the University 141 system for training compared to part 61. I did not start my CFI at Southeastern because I CHOSE NOT TO. My degree is in aviation management. So I thought it would not be efficient to sit in Multi-engine ground and the 2 CFI ground schools for a semester, take up credit hrs, and delay my graduation. Rather I chose to finish my degree, get my multi during christmas break, which I did, study for my CFIs during spring semester, graduate, and get my CFIs. I said ATPs instructors were motivated, I did not say SOSU's instructors were not motivated, stop putting words into my mouth.

You were the first one criticizing me when I decided to go to ATP talking about Im paying more for ATP. The multi program at ATP was the same price as SOSU's multi flight training and that doesn't include the semester long multi ground tuition! My multi ground was 3 days. Ok, I said ratings instead of certificates, Im typing at 100 miles an hr then go about my business. You people need to stop pointing out little things when you get the big picture. You're insulting my education? I guarantee you my G.P.A is higher than yours, and I did the more difficult Aviation Management degree while you got a Professional Pilot degree. Hope piloting works for you because I don't know what you can do with that degree.

Multi-time is important because at least 100 required by most quality regionals. You should know how the instructors their struggle to get multi-time without going out and buying it. Once again, DO NOT put words into my mouth. The faculty and staff at SOSU have done so many things for me that I can promise I will return the favor to other students once I attain my goals. My two instructors at SOSU are good friends, and did wonders for me as a pilot. It OFFENDS me as a former schoolmate that you just take my comments out of context and put words into my mouth I never said.
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SORRY! Didn't mean to start a war. Just watch what you say...you never know who is on this forum. Your future boss could be reading your comments. Later and good luck man...
 
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