Republic Hires 430 Hr Pilot!

meyers9163 said:
Because they are just that highly trained that you are unable to get a propoer training any where else? A plane is just that difficult at such a primary stage that you are only able to train at ATP to get the proper training an airline wants? Wait or perhaps those who actually sit back for months working on a CFI and understanding FULLY the dynamics of what a CFI has to know has no more knowledge then one who gets all three done in 2 weeks? Bro no offense but just because you have a tie with ATP doesnt make it an end all great program dude. Just as many great ways to get your hours out there. 230ME doesnt make her a great pilot and the guy arguing about the 50 sim has a great case, just because she has the 230ME doesnt mean that some of those arent sim hours.

Secondly REGIONALS are snatching up pilots any where not just ATP however for a Republic to do such is very interesting to say the least. Kind of shocking when it comes down to it but she will do great since she was able to get all the suplements that ATP provides for the EMB probably eh?
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Fully understand the dynamics of what a CFI is supposed to know? Don't every applicant have to pass the same checkride? Thats all that counts. Im not saying you can't get proper training elsewhere. Others are the ones that say just because you do your training fast at ATP its not proper. You even say ATP is not an "end all great program dude" Im saying you're wrong. Its my personal belief that its the best flight school for an aspiring pilot. Some aren't willing to pay the price, some will. You can't stay at a 5 star hotel for motel prices. You can't buy a BMW for Kia prices. You won't get to the regionals as fast from Ma and Pop flight school as you would from ATP. Put your resume in at Republic when you have 430TT and see what happens:)
 
Just for the record, ATP does not log any of the sim time as ME time. It can go under FTD and Dual Received, that is it.

I didn't even use the sim for my multi private, I sat in the plane on the ramp and talked through my maneuvers to get the flows down. I did however use the sim in a multi-engine configuration to practice for my instrument rating which was done in the seminole. None of it was logged as ME time either.

And as far as I could tell, none of ATP's planes had an ADF in it except for the Citation I think. The sim did have an ADF though and we had to use it for the checkride. If any part of my training was done just for the checkride it would be the ADF stuff. Since then I have yet to fly a plane with an ADF in it though so I can care less about it right now.

Another big reason the sim is there is the FAA allows up to 50 hrs of sim time to apply to the commercial rating and ATP uses this to get people with 200TT their comm rating. Every other flight school I have been a part of does this too so I really dont think it is that big of a deal.
 
777forever said:
Fully understand the dynamics of what a CFI is supposed to know? Don't every applicant have to pass the same checkride? Thats all that counts. Im not saying you can't get proper training elsewhere. Others are the ones that say just because you do your training fast at ATP its not proper. You even say ATP is not an "end all great program dude" Im saying you're wrong. Its my personal belief that its the best flight school for an aspiring pilot. Some aren't willing to pay the price, some will. You can't stay at a 5 star hotel for motel prices. You can't buy a BMW for Kia prices. You won't get to the regionals as fast from Ma and Pop flight school as you would from ATP. Put your resume in at Republic when you have 430TT and see what happens:)
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You just proved a POINT dude! So therefore a 430TT pilot does not belong flying at RAH. If you couldnt get hired without the ATP you dont belong flying there yet PERIOD. Also DONT ever applicant pass the same checkride? Come on dude lets face it like there isnt ways around this with some programs. How about you argue the fact that the trainer is a trainer and any idiot could fly it, it does not mean a person with such low mins or hours belongs flying an EMB or CRJ? Let alone your arguement about a mom and pop flying as oppose to an ATP is off center too. For someone who knows the aviaiton world you would know ANYONE who has a drive and passion could get there just as fast. Therefore lets argue something new please;)! But again nice try.
 
zmiller4 said:
Yup! I can think of a couple.
1) Passing a sim check is easy.
2) If you hire someone with a couple of hundred hours, you can pay them crap and they're not going to complain, because they would otherwise be instructing.
3) ATP has some really agressive marketing.

Don't think for a second that going to ATP makes you "special" in any way--that attitude is not going to fly well at all later on, especially if you get hired with low time. My company will interview ATP instructors with 850hrs (I don't know exactly why, but my guess would be that money exchanged hands somewhere) but won't let them attend ground school unless they meet the same hiring minimums as everyone else.

You don't want to get into a pissing match about who's school gets hired with lower time to fly bigger airplanes, etc...I think Sierra Academy and IFTA would have ATP owned in that category. I think ATP provides solid training and produces some really good pilots, but I can't stand their marketing.
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Reason#1-makes no sense, they grab ATP people to pass a sim check?:insane:
Reason#2-Irrelevent, newbies are not negotiating contracts, selected senior pilots are
Reason#3-What aggressive marketing are you talking about that you can't stand? Everything they say is the truth.

The real reason ATP grads are hired: Reputation. Airlines want to hire someone who will pass training so they don't waste money. Their statistics probably show ATP grads have a high rate of success because of their previous training.
 
777forever said:
Fully understand the dynamics of what a CFI is supposed to know? Don't every applicant have to pass the same checkride? Thats all that counts. Im not saying you can't get proper training elsewhere. Others are the ones that say just because you do your training fast at ATP its not proper. You even say ATP is not an "end all great program dude" Im saying you're wrong. Its my personal belief that its the best flight school for an aspiring pilot. Some aren't willing to pay the price, some will. You can't stay at a 5 star hotel for motel prices. You can't buy a BMW for Kia prices. You won't get to the regionals as fast from Ma and Pop flight school as you would from ATP. Put your resume in at Republic when you have 430TT and see what happens:)
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As fas as the motel and hotel thing, there's a website called Priceline, check it out sometime ;)!
 
777forever said:
Reason#1- dot dot dot
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With all due respect, I'm afraid you need to close the opinion valve a little and start actuating the 'listen' valve towards open.

I'm an ERAU grad. No one came knocking down my door begging to throw me a job. That's was a bitter pill for me to swallow long ago.

By all means, don't expect Jetcareers to reinforce your misconceptions about the airline business. Do you realize you're arguing with a couple of part 121 airline pilots with industry experience?
 
777forever said:
Fully understand the dynamics of what a CFI is supposed to know? Don't every applicant have to pass the same checkride? Thats all that counts. Im not saying you can't get proper training elsewhere. Others are the ones that say just because you do your training fast at ATP its not proper. You even say ATP is not an "end all great program dude" Im saying you're wrong. Its my personal belief that its the best flight school for an aspiring pilot. Some aren't willing to pay the price, some will. You can't stay at a 5 star hotel for motel prices. You can't buy a BMW for Kia prices. You won't get to the regionals as fast from Ma and Pop flight school as you would from ATP. Put your resume in at Republic when you have 430TT and see what happens:)
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As fas as the motel and hotel thing, there's a website called Priceline, check it out sometime "DUDE" ;)!
 
desertdog71 said:
HUH?? Checkride in the sim?
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Flew in the actual airplane for about 1.5 doing a partial panel approach, a single engine approach, an approach with nothing "inop", flew the beginning of a DP, some unusual attitudes, and I think I did a steep turn too. After that we came back to the sim and did an approach with an ADF hold if I remember correctly.

Can't use the ADF in the plane if the plane doesn't have one thus part of the instrument checkride was in the sim.
 
part of the II checkride is in the sim. in VGT I remember it was this part that most people actually bomb on. and not the actual approach.
 
777forever said:
Reason#1-makes no sense, they grab ATP people to pass a sim check?:insane:
Reason#2-Irrelevent, newbies are not negotiating contracts, selected senior pilots are
Reason#3-What aggressive marketing are you talking about that you can't stand? Everything they say is the truth.

The real reason ATP grads are hired: Reputation. Airlines want to hire someone who will pass training so they don't waste money. Their statistics probably show ATP grads have a high rate of success because of their previous training.
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Isnt the real reason people pass checkrides are because they know how to study, how to prepare, how to be efficient, how to manage there time, problem solve and keep there head about things? Arent those all things you learn and develop in college. Becuase last time I checked a lot of airlines want those with their college degree (four year mind you) not just a certificate from ATP. Think Delta, or Fedex or UPS care if you went to ATP?
 
777forever said:
Fully understand the dynamics of what a CFI is supposed to know? Don't every applicant have to pass the same checkride? Thats all that counts. Im not saying you can't get proper training elsewhere. Others are the ones that say just because you do your training fast at ATP its not proper. You even say ATP is not an "end all great program dude" Im saying you're wrong. Its my personal belief that its the best flight school for an aspiring pilot. Some aren't willing to pay the price, some will. You can't stay at a 5 star hotel for motel prices. You can't buy a BMW for Kia prices. You won't get to the regionals as fast from Ma and Pop flight school as you would from ATP. Put your resume in at Republic when you have 430TT and see what happens:)
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That is sooo not true. ATP is a great school by all rights and they might get you there fast, but there are other alternatives. I know because I've flown at Aero clubs, expensive FBOs, ma and pa FBOs and ATP. ATP is great, but not THE best, primarily because of their prices.
 
Two years ago I think that ATP was possibly worth the price that they charge. When the airlines weren't hiring, and ATP had reduced mins that got some people in the door ahead of others I can certainly see where that would be an advantage. But let's face the truth of the current situation. You can get on with almost any regional now with 500 hours. Why spend all of that cash on ATP?
 
Timbuff10 said:
Flew in the actual airplane for about 1.5 doing a partial panel approach, a single engine approach, an approach with nothing "inop", flew the beginning of a DP, some unusual attitudes, and I think I did a steep turn too. After that we came back to the sim and did an approach with an ADF hold if I remember correctly.

Can't use the ADF in the plane if the plane doesn't have one thus part of the instrument checkride was in the sim.
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OK, I see now.
 
Doug Taylor said:
With all due respect, I'm afraid you need to close the opinion valve a little and start actuating the 'listen' valve towards open.

I'm an ERAU grad. No one came knocking down my door begging to throw me a job. That's was a bitter pill for me to swallow long ago.

By all means, don't expect Jetcareers to reinforce your misconceptions about the airline business. Do you realize you're arguing with a couple of part 121 airline pilots with industry experience?
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That doesn't mean their right does it? I know many part 121 pilots that back me up. After all, doesn't ATP send pilots to the regionals?

It was ALOT tougher to get a job back then when you were looking. Now regionals are begging people to come fly.
 
meyers9163 said:
Isnt the real reason people pass checkrides are because they know how to study, how to prepare, how to be efficient, how to manage there time, problem solve and keep there head about things? Arent those all things you learn and develop in college. Becuase last time I checked a lot of airlines want those with their college degree (four year mind you) not just a certificate from ATP. Think Delta, or Fedex or UPS care if you went to ATP?
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I graduate college in May, so check that reason off your list:)
 
777Forever, is just one of those kids who bought into the ATP marketing hype. Didn't know any better. Can't blame him.

I bet he thinks it was money well spent...How much was it again?

And no, *MOST* ATP pilots do not pass the same checkrides as everyone else.

Getting a question for question gouge on the DPE who you're going to take it with, is not a checkride.
 
777forever said:
That doesn't mean their right does it? I know many part 121 pilots that back me up. After all, doesn't ATP send pilots to the regionals?

It was ALOT tougher to get a job back then when you were looking. Now regionals are begging people to come fly.
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He knows that. ALOT better than you. I think you should look around a little and see what the world is really like. It's not always just like ATP.
 
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