Ok, which one of you guys...

NJA_Capt said:
Brakes are included to be used, as are thrust reversers. I'm not advocating max braking every time, but 10000 feet?!?!?!, that's ridiculous for an RJ, and most mainliners. Passengers want off the plane, not a tour of the airport. Especially like my recent Eagle RJ flight where it was 90 degrees in the cabin and the unfriendly/rude flight attendant would not inform the crew for the last :40 minutes. I guess they were conserving the A/C pac, eh?
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To complain about Rolling long on a runway is petty. It might add 2 minutes to the taxi, bit so can

1) an idiot standing up in the cabin to get his bag out of the overheard while taxiing to the gate

2) ground controller being overwhelmed, or has you stop short of taxiway K,to give way to another a/c

3) Ramp congestion (i.e. alley is backed up)

4) Gate is occupied

5) rampers are working other aircraft so they cant marshal you in.

6) gate agent is working another gate and cant get over to drive the the jetbride.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Brakes are included to be used, as are thrust reversers. I'm not advocating max braking every time, but 10000 feet?!?!?!, that's ridiculous for an RJ, and most mainliners. Passengers want off the plane, not a tour of the airport. Especially like my recent Eagle RJ flight where it was 90 degrees in the cabin and the unfriendly/rude flight attendant would not inform the crew for the last :40 minutes. I guess they were conserving the A/C pac, eh?
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Hows the X beet treating ya lately capt?
 
blee256 said:
To complain about Rolling long on a runway is petty. It might add 2 minutes to the taxi
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There it is, folks. That's what's wrong with the airlines today.

We just had a passenger - A CUSTOMER - complain, and was told by a pilot - AN INSTRUMENT OF THE COMPANY - that the complaint was petty.

Just an observation.
 
My company doenst want us using reverse thrust unless its necessary, I just deem it necessary on every landing :) .
 
mtsu_av8er said:
There it is, folks. That's what's wrong with the airlines today.

We just had a passenger - A CUSTOMER - complain, and was told by a pilot - AN INSTRUMENT OF THE COMPANY - that the complaint was petty.

Just an observation.
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LOL...point taken.
 
In a single engine airplane, I hardly ever use the brakes. In a bigger jet, I'm always on the brakes early in the landing roll, typically as soon as the nose comes down. On a short, slippery runway...maybe prior to the nose coming down. Basically, I want to know they work. I've never seen anything good from holding the nose off the ground for an extended period of time. And aerobraking??? I've never been taught it and I'm not sure I know what it is. I think you do it in little airplanes by holding the control yoke aft as long as possible in the landing roll...wouldn't do it in a jet though.
 
B767Driver said:
In a single engine airplane, I hardly ever use the brakes. In a bigger jet, I'm always on the brakes early in the landing roll, typically as soon as the nose comes down. On a short, slippery runway...maybe prior to the nose coming down. Basically, I want to know they work. I've never seen anything good from holding the nose off the ground for an extended period of time. And aerobraking??? I've never been taught it and I'm not sure I know what it is. I think you do it in little airplanes by holding the control yoke aft as long as possible in the landing roll...wouldn't do it in a jet though.
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:yeahthat: :yeahthat:

I read an article either in Bus./Comm Aviation or Pro Pilot, they highly recommend not aerobraking on a High Perf A/C. I said you were much better off getting the nose wheel down and braking as needed. But to be careful de-rotating, because that has caused some bent metal too.

Side note, Does the RJ have auto ground spoilers, or do you have to deploy them manually?
 
* What B767Driver said *

:yeahthat:

I like to know that I have good brakes, and I like to get them working early in the landing roll in case the TRs don't deploy. Doesn't mean that I will stomp on them, though (unless the runway is short or for some other reason).

I've never been taught to use aerodynamic braking in the jet that I fly. Slowing and stopping results from using brakes, spoilers and TRs. Perhaps it's different for other types, but I'm not sure. Plus, as with a taildragger, good steering authority comes from having the "steering wheel" on the ground so the idea of holding the nose off for a long time doesn't appeal to me since I want that steering authority sooner, not later.
 
No aero braking in the Citation. Reverse thrust tends to bring the nose of the aircraft up. It is generally considered "Bad Form" to have the nose (or the whole aircraft!) come back off the ground while applying reverse thrust.

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After the nose wheel comes down, push forward on the yoke to keep it there.
 
GaTechKid said:
As a customer I'd rather have a smooth landing with no aggressive braking.
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I'm not arguing about which type of landing is better for the passengers . . . just noting the fact that passenger opinions are often glazed over by much "smarter, more aviation-savvy" pilots!:sarcasm:
 
Yeah, we do hear a lot of petty complaints in the industry. Call it whatever, but a lot of times they are lacking in common sense...
 
I always use TR in FS2K2. F1 at about 100ft, then into ground effect. . .flare . . . touchdown inside the TDZ, and then F2 to active the reversers. . .W00TT!!! AUTOBRAKE ON 4 IN LDS767!!!111

:sarcasm:
 
joel_MQY said:
Yeah, we do hear a lot of petty complaints in the industry. Call it whatever, but a lot of times they are lacking in common sense...
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Is it really lacking in common sense?

You go to the doctor and (s)he says, "Mr. Joel, you have a tumor in your brain, and we're going to get it out". You reply, "Is this going to hurt?". Now, if the Dr. said, "Mr. Joel, that's such a petty question . . . ", you'd feel that he was out of line, wouldn't you?
 
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