Ok, which one of you guys...

Runway 10/28
Dimensions: 6501 x 150 ft.

Runway 18/36
Dimensions: 5379 x 150 ft. / 1640 x 46 m

How much room do you guys usually eat up. On a good day, clean rw.
 
JEP said:
Runway 10/28
Dimensions: 6501 x 150 ft.

Runway 18/36
Dimensions: 5379 x 150 ft. / 1640 x 46 m

How much room do you guys usually eat up. On a good day, clean rw.
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Does the CRJ have reversers? Could suck being on an icy runway without them! Been a long time since I flew a bird without them...
 
It was an ugly day in Michigan. Lots of wet slippery snow.

Too bad I had to overnight in Florida.

:cool:
 
JEP said:
Runway 10/28
Dimensions: 6501 x 150 ft.

Runway 18/36
Dimensions: 5379 x 150 ft. / 1640 x 46 m

How much room do you guys usually eat up. On a good day, clean rw.
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Anything less then 5000 is technically a CA only landing for us. We used to do Key West and I think that was 4100 and the problem was getting out, not getting in. Unfactored landing distance at max landing weight (47k) is normally right around 3000 feet. However, it all depends on where you put it down and the runway conditions.

The CRJ does have reversers. They are translating cowls so you're not really reversing the air (like clam shells) but more redirecting it. Not as efficient. I know several companies have told their crews to just use brakes unless they need the TRs. Fortunately when our company tried to do that the (company) safety department stood up and said it wasn't going to happen it they weren't going to make a suggestion as to how crews stop the airplane.

At least everybody is ok it sounds like.
 
BobDDuck said:
I know several companies have told their crews to just use brakes unless they need the TRs. Fortunately when our company tried to do that the (company) safety department stood up and said it wasn't going to happen it they weren't going to make a suggestion as to how crews stop the airplane.
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We had a reverse sort of situation in the E-8. Reversers were a BIG source of MX problems, so the MX troops asked us not to use them (light jet, 13000 ft rwy... no problem). Problem was that tech order said you had to use reversers on landing, and we LOVE our TOs in the AF! SO... we were told we HAD to use them.

SO... it didn't say HOW we had to use them. Some pilots :rolleyes: would bring them to interlock, get no reversers (hmmm... how did THAT happen?), and just stop without them. We'd still stop with 3K remaining barely even touching the brakes.
 
The deal here is in the touchdown zone, nosewheel down ASAP, brakes and TRs ASAP on a slippery runway. On a dry runway, I'll aerobrake as well, but not on a slippery one. Wonder if there was a tailwind to factor in, too.
 
BobDDuck said:
Anything less then 5000 is technically a CA only landing for us. We used to do Key West and I think that was 4100 and the problem was getting out, not getting in.
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Republic flies the 170 in there...I wonder how much they're pushing the limit with that then....
 
kellwolf said:
The deal here is in the touchdown zone, nosewheel down ASAP, brakes and TRs ASAP on a slippery runway. On a dry runway, I'll aerobrake as well, but not on a slippery one. Wonder if there was a tailwind to factor in, too.
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too lazy to convert from gmt, but the wx looked awful:

KTVC 120613Z 03007KT 3/4SM -SN OVC006 00/M01 A2948 RMK AO2 CIG 002V010 P0002
KTVC 120553Z 03007KT 1SM -SN VV002 00/M01 A2948 RMK AO2 SLP990 P0005 60015 T00001006 10006 20000 58029
KTVC 120500Z 02008KT 3/4SM -SN VV002 00/M01 A2951 RMK AO2 P0001
KTVC 120453Z 02008KT 1/4SM SN VV002 00/M01 A2951 RMK AO2 SLP000 P0008 T00001006 400221022
KTVC 120445Z 02008KT 1/4SM +SN VV002 00/M01 A2952 RMK AO2 P0007
KTVC 120430Z 04008KT 1/2SM -SN VV004 00/M01 A2952 RMK AO2 P0003
KTVC 120353Z 03007KT 1 1/2SM -SN FEW009 BKN015 OVC022 00/M01 A2955 RMK AO2 SLP012 P0002 T00001006
KTVC 120344Z 04008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BKN018 OVC024 01/M01 A2955 RMK AO2 P0001
KTVC 120253Z 05007KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN017 OVC023 01/M01 A2957 RMK AO2 SLP021 P0000 60000 T00061011 56019
KTVC 120250Z 04008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN017 OVC023 01/M01 A2957 RMK AO2 P0000

Also just saw on the local news that the nose gear collapsed. Didn't say when that happened though....Guessing happened after leaving the rw.
 
BobDDuck said:
Unfactored landing distance at max landing weight (47k) is normally right around 3000 feet. However, it all depends on where you put it down and the runway conditions.
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It drives me nuts to ride in the back and watch guys roll to the end of a 9000-10,000 foot (DRY) runway (and farther away from the terminal I might add).
 
NJA_Capt said:
It drives me nuts to ride in the back and watch guys roll to the end of a 9000-10,000 foot (DRY) runway (and farther away from the terminal I might add).
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Well, if you're on time, less brake use DOES convert to lower MX costs. Lots easier on the airplane to just let it roll.
 
Fly4Pay said:
Well, if you're on time, less brake use DOES convert to lower MX costs. Lots easier on the airplane to just let it roll.
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Yep, but a "typical" RJ costs right around $25-$30/min to operate.

I've got no idea how much brakes cost, and how many uses they get out of them, but my guess is the extra 3-4 minutes it takes to let it roll 5000 feet easily costs more than the extra brake pad you use.

I've flown with CA's that like it both ways, and as an FO you just adapt to what they want you to do.
 
It wasn't me.. but I am curious as to what happened.. I won't even speculate on who was up front, the weather sucked, a shorter runway compared to MOST of the places we go into, at night (actually early morning- even worse)... Time will tell
 
Fly4Pay said:
...less brake use DOES convert to lower MX costs. Lots easier on the airplane to just let it roll.
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Brakes are included to be used, as are thrust reversers. I'm not advocating max braking every time, but 10000 feet?!?!?!, that's ridiculous for an RJ, and most mainliners. Passengers want off the plane, not a tour of the airport. Especially like my recent Eagle RJ flight where it was 90 degrees in the cabin and the unfriendly/rude flight attendant would not inform the crew for the last :40 minutes. I guess they were conserving the A/C pac, eh?
 
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