Going from Part 141 to Part 61 after Private Pilot Rating... Obstacles and advice

bdhill1979 said:
Why would you need an instructor go with you for 40 hours of XC?
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For part 61 you must have 50 hours XC time for your IR rating. I will leave und with 5-10. So it is my hope that the 40 or so dual instruction that one does for the IR can be done on cross country after cross country in order for me to make the part 61 mins.
 
You can do the XC on your own, only 15 hours of instruction is required for 61. Find a safety pilot to go with you to log the required Sim instrument hours. Save some blingy.

Edit: I think I had only 18 hours of instruction for the IR, all the other requirements were fulfilled flying solo XC or doing sim instrument with my friend as safety pilot.
 
bdhill1979 said:
You can do the XC on your own, only 15 hours of instruction is required for 61. Find a safety pilot to go with you to log the required Sim instrument hours. Save some blingy.

Edit: I think I had only 18 hours of instruction for the IR, all the other requirements were flying solo XC or doing sim instrument with my friend as safety pilot.
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Oh. See I was looking at most places breaking down the IR costs with 40 hours of dual given. I was expecting my IR to cost somewhere around 6k.
I need to find myself a safety pilot. If I do my IR in that much time I would have a lot of extra money to go flying with a safety pilot.
 
ZUKO said:
Oh. See I was looking at most places breaking down the IR costs with 40 hours of dual given. I was expecting my IR to cost somewhere around 6k.
I need to find myself a safety pilot. If I do my IR in that much time I would have a lot of extra money to go flying with a safety pilot.
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You do have a fine resourse for finding a safety pilot anywhere you are.
 
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if he does not like the way things are done then maybe he should fly for fun and not for a career. that is all man.
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Nice...the guy doesn't like the fact that he's not flying as much as he wants to, and you accuse him of not being cut out for a flying career? That's a great attitude--"if he doesn't like my school, he's not going to make it at the airlines".
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Farva:You need to 250 hours TT as per part 61 regs to obtain a commercial license. You can not count the xc time as a private towards that.
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Could some one elaborate on that?? That doesn't sound right, but maybe I am missing the context.
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I agree; that's incorrect. All of your flight time from day one counts toward the 250TT requirement, as far as I know.
 
WAFlyBoy said:
I agree; that's incorrect. All of your flight time from day one counts toward the 250TT requirement, as far as I know.
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Off topic: How do you like Horizon and being up in Seattle? I never knew how much I loved the Pacific Northwest until I left. I flew up to Spokane on the dash8 a couple months back. Nice plane.
 
Justin,

I did just about exactly what you are proposing, except I came from ERAU. After my private I was disgusted with the scheduling and decided to go the the FBO across the field. Things progressed *much* quicker. I really wouldn't worry about 61 vs 141, I don't think it matters at all. You learn the same stuff and meet the same standards. I learned some important things at ERAU that I am sure you are familiar with. Example: flows. It is amazing how many FBO's fail to teach this. Don't stop doing them! You are going to have to watch your back with a few things like this, but hopefully your instructor will be on the ball. You have learned some important things from the UND way of doing things. You have also learned some things you don't like. You are going to be all the better because of this. Take the good and leave the bad.

AZ is great for flight training. You can fly in the summer, no worries about that. You can find IMC if you go look for it. That is much better then having to sit it out because you are trying to practice your ground ref and it is down to mins.

You are also choosing to go to an inexpensive school. Smart man! It will benefit you way more in the long run then making $600+ loan payments every month for the indefinite future.

Other then the private ground school at ERAU, and pre/post flight chats, I never spent a minute doing ground with an instructor. I preferred to do it on my own time. This works for some, others have a different style of learning. It is entirely possible though. If your new instructor thinks that you need ground instruction then make sure you know what he want to talk about next time, learn it all ahead of time, then when he starts teaching say "how about I explain it to you this time, practice for my CFI ya know?" Begin flaunting your knowledge at this point and they will begin to understand your style.

I wouldn't worry much about where to get the CFI and being *committed* to a school. CFI's are in great demand and if you are willing to move then you will have no trouble finding work. Maybe try to work out your school/degree so that you can finish it online. That will give you quite some freedom.

If you fly even one hour a day (and if you have the money I predict you will fly more) you will be done with all your ratings through MEI in less then a year. The more you pack your flying together, the better you learn (I am sure there is some limit to this, but 1-2 flights a day seems favorable).

You are making a smart decision. Good luck.
 
towhook said:
Justin,

I did just about exactly what you are proposing, except I came from ERAU. After my private I was disgusted with the scheduling and decided to go the the FBO across the field. Things progressed *much* quicker. I really wouldn't worry about 61 vs 141, I don't think it matters at all. You learn the same stuff and meet the same standards. I learned some important things at ERAU that I am sure you are familiar with. Example: flows. It is amazing how many FBO's fail to teach this. Don't stop doing them! You are going to have to watch your back with a few things like this, but hopefully your instructor will be on the ball. You have learned some important things from the UND way of doing things. You have also learned some things you don't like. You are going to be all the better because of this. Take the good and leave the bad.

AZ is great for flight training. You can fly in the summer, no worries about that. You can find IMC if you go look for it. That is much better then having to sit it out because you are trying to practice your ground ref and it is down to mins.

You are also choosing to go to an inexpensive school. Smart man! It will benefit you way more in the long run then making $600+ loan payments every month for the indefinite future.

Other then the private ground school at ERAU, and pre/post flight chats, I never spent a minute doing ground with an instructor. I preferred to do it on my own time. This works for some, others have a different style of learning. It is entirely possible though. If your new instructor thinks that you need ground instruction then make sure you know what he want to talk about next time, learn it all ahead of time, then when he starts teaching say "how about I explain it to you this time, practice for my CFI ya know?" Begin flaunting your knowledge at this point and they will begin to understand your style.

I wouldn't worry much about where to get the CFI and being *committed* to a school. CFI's are in great demand and if you are willing to move then you will have no trouble finding work. Maybe try to work out your school/degree so that you can finish it online. That will give you quite some freedom.

If you fly even one hour a day (and if you have the money I predict you will fly more) you will be done with all your ratings through MEI in less then a year. The more you pack your flying together, the better you learn (I am sure there is some limit to this, but 1-2 flights a day seems favorable).

You are making a smart decision. Good luck.
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Thanks for the response. You would be surprised how a little reassurance from other people go a long way. It is a big step in the right direction. When I get to AZ, I will need to view studying aviation like working out. Spend an hour to two a night reading the books. I am motivated to prove to people that I can become a professional pilot regardless of my struggles at UND. When I was really behind in my training first semester, a lot of people assumed that I was just "not meant" to be a pilot. I got a new instructor who could fly more and things started to really pick up.

I honestly feel that this so called "better training environment" at UND helps the pilot LESS then how the breaks in training hurts the pilots ability to move at a faster pace.

I can not wait to have the ability to accomplish more at a faster rate then I would at UND. It would of taken me an additional 2 years if I spent every summer in Grand Forks, at the very least to get my CFI. You would not believe how naive the students are to the better options out there. I feel bad for anyone who is blindly walking into getting a degree in Commercial Aviation. Especially those who are taking out more money in loans for that degree.

Now I am looking at just a year to become an MEI. With hard work and dedication, I believe I can meet the demands of a faster pace environment and not sacrifice understanding or knowledge.
 
ZUKO said:
Off topic: How do you like Horizon and being up in Seattle? I never knew how much I loved the Pacific Northwest until I left. I flew up to Spokane on the dash8 a couple months back. Nice plane.
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Horizon's a good company, and I love living in the northwest. I'm in Tacoma, and based out of Portland, so it's about the same amount of time to drive or fly to work. The Dash is cool, although they're phasing out the small ones in favor of the Q400's.
 
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