Late Van Drivers

FlyChicaga

Vintage Restoration
I wanted this to get more attention, rather than be buried in the depths of the "tipping" thread.

I know it is very, very frustrating to arrive at the airport to catch your ride to the hotel on a reduced rest overnight only to have a driver show up 30 minutes later. It is very frustrating to watch your sleep dwindle away because the driver is not there; trust me, I feel the pain.

However, since I am close to someone in the hotel industry, I have learned that this is not always the drivers fault. Many times, it is outside circumstances other than just the driver being late because they drive slow and are lazy. Sometimes it is because another crew wanted to get food, go to the mall, the movies, etc., and the van is occupied accommodating them. Sometimes it is because the driver was asked to run and errand for the front desk. Sometimes it is because the hotel management forces the drivers to stick to a strict 30-minute schedule (leave ever 30 minutes). It could be a lot of reasons.

From talking to some drivers, many (including someone close to me who would drive crews to the airport and to restaurants) tell me that the crews were downright rude to them because the van did not accommodate to their schedule. The hotel would get a call from a crew, "We are here to get picked up," and be told "the van will be there in 20 minutes, it just left the airport." At 21 minutes, the desk gets another phone call, "Where is the van? You said it would be here in 20 minutes, it is now past that." Then the driver gets barked at, stiffed by the crew after loading all their baggage, and told, "We need to go get food, when can you take us?" What??

Like I said, it is not often the drivers fault. It also cannot be helped when a crew arrives three hours behind schedule and expects the van to be waiting for them. Things just do not always work that way.

So what is the point of this thread? If the van shows up late, do not take it out on the driver. Take it up with the manager on duty when you arrive at the hotel if it is that much of an issue. Or, talk to your hotel committee. The only times I will stiff the driver and take issue with him/her is when a) they do not even get out to open the rear doors, let alone load bags, b) are downright rude to the crew, or c) drive recklessly putting us in danger.

Have a little patient with the employees of these hotels. Often, these hotels sign contracts that give up rooms that could make three to ten times what the airline pays for them. Most of the hotel employees I've found are very helpful to crews if you are polite and treat them with respect. When you start treating them like trash because you "deserve" something from the hotel (that you aren't even paying for, your company is), then they get a little pissed.

Plus, remember, you are representing the company you work for. ALL the employees know which crews are polite and don't make asses of themselves. They also know which ones are the #######s who act like fools. The person I am "close" to still has a very negative opinion of a certain Chicago-based airline because of the ways their crews acted during overnights.
 
Well put. I know it's incredibly annoying to have to wait forever, but I've seen too many captains go ape at drivers. The hotels remember it, too, and it WILL reflect badly on your company. I've had conversations with hotel clerks where they've told me about some nasty things pilots from my company have said. It's not fair for me to have to prove to people that I'm not a tool.
 
I don't have a problem when they tell us it's going to be a while for the van, but it's unacceptable when they say they'll be right there and you're still waiting 30 minutes later. I won't yell or act like a prick, but it's doubtful I'll give a tip in these circumstances. All I ask is for them to be honest with me and let me know it's going to be a while.
 
Had a van ride the other night where I found out the crew that came in before us were total creeps (what I really want to call them would just get filtered out by the profanity filter). Apparently they were ticked b/c the van wasn't there when they got there. In fact, the CA told the front desk clerk the van was supposed to be out there waiting on them. Sorry, jack. We've got a 15 minute window. Nowhere in our contract does it say the van has to be there waiting on you. When other crews make me embarassed that I fly for the same airline they do, I don't like that. Now, if you call and the van from a hotel 5 minutes away takes 20, then there's some issues there. But, I wouldn't automatically assume the driver is trying to tick me off.

As for missing some reduced rest b/c the driver took someone to the mall or a restaurant, most of those places are closed by the time our RR crews get in. :)
 
Agreed. You can question poor service while remaining courteous and professional. As PR, we're "always" on duty.

THREAD HIJACK!

Hey, Chicaga, did I see you in IAH sometime in the last week or ten days? I saw somebody walk by near the B checkpoint/food court and thought, "Hey, I think I know that guy!" ... but the thought registered too late to say anything!

/hijack
 
Yeah man, that was me. I thought I saw you too, but we were in a hurry and I wasn't entirely sure. Plus you know that us XJT guys can't talk to you CHQ guys in the terminal, and vice versa. :D :sarcasm:
 
Chicaga speaks the truth.

At my airline, we have a 20 minute window for pickup. If that van's not there within 20 minutes, we're contractually entitled to reimbursement for cab fare.

Sadly, most airlines carry a stigma in the hotel business where a couple of bad apples ruin it for everyone else.

Far too often, people start complaining about the hotel the second they get on the van, while gathering the bags and while checking into the hotel and never clue in why hotel employees are terse to them.
 
Far too often, people start complaining about the hotel the second they get on the van, while gathering the bags and while checking into the hotel and never clue in why hotel employees are terse to them.

Every time I see this I cringe. I get a "WTF" moment. Eight times out of ten it's the FA's, but I have seen some pilots complain.

On a side note, I've started tipping again. I don't have to worry about loading and unloading my bags, my shoulders thank me. I still won't tip automatically but it's hardly noticeable (money wise, $6/trip is nothing) and was already rewarded with a van guy offering to warm up my food in the employee lounge when the hotel wanted $10 for a microwave for my room.
 
I just had this conversation with a shuttle driver about this tonight. I think of it like this. I know I'm a freight dog but, I kind of equate this to the passenger sitting in the terminal yelling at the airline pilot because the flight is late or canceled. As a pilot, in most cases, its nothing you can do about the flight being late or canceled. It's just the way it is. Same thing with the driver. I've had days that I've had to wait a good hour for the van to show up when I've just come off of a 14hr shift and its 4:30 in the a.m. I can't really do anything but suck it up. I still thank them for their service and wish them a good day.

BTW

There is a general consensus among the shuttles that I've gotten rides from that Southwest crews are the nicest and Comair crews can be the most bitter.
 
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