Busted checkrides?

OldTownPilot said:
Max, Waaaay back DCA was called Comair Academy.
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Doh, second time I was pwned today on the forum. Lol, I should have known that too, I visit the Comair academy back in August 2001. When they were called Comair and not DCA.

After I toured the campus, I said thanks but no thanks. But that is a topic of conversation for another thread!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Doh, second time I was pwned today on the forum. Lol, I should have known that too, I visit the Comair academy back in August 2001. When they were called Comair and not DCA.

After I toured the campus, I said thanks but no thanks. But that is a topic of conversation for another thread!
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Unfortunately, I got suckered into the campus in Jacksonville. JU was horrible, the town was horrible, the instruction at Comair was great, but I ended up leaving because they charged $49.50/hr. for instruction and paid the instructors 8.00. I didn't want to spend 50k+ to work for 8 dollars an hour.
 
mojo6911 said:
Unfortunately, I got suckered into the campus in Jacksonville. JU was horrible, the town was horrible, the instruction at Comair was great, but I ended up leaving because they charged $49.50/hr. for instruction and paid the instructors 8.00. I didn't want to spend 50k+ to work for 8 dollars an hour.
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Wow, Sanford CFI's only make $2.00 an hour more!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Doh, second time I was pwned today on the forum. Lol, I should have known that too, I visit the Comair academy back in August 2001. When they were called Comair and not DCA.

After I toured the campus, I said thanks but no thanks. But that is a topic of conversation for another thread!
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I wonder if that place still flies people down to FL for free to do the tour. I should go!

Back on topic, I failed 3 checkrides and about 700 flight hours later XJT hired me!

Mike
 
Killtron2000 said:
How many can you bust during training without it being a problem? I've got 2 now and I'm considering not doing the instructor ratings since the chance of failing those are really high.
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I've got one.

I'll try to elaborate a little more later but in the meantime, long story short, stop busting checkrides!
 
Killtron200,

I wouldn't worry about the checkrides you've already busted, just focus on the next one. Definitely don't try and pull the "Examiner was wrong" stunt. While not every examiner is great or fair, the majority of them are and they hold much more credibility on a professional level then you would sitting in an interview.

Be honest, explain why you failed, what you learned from it and how its made you a better pilot. Checkride failures don't go on your resume, so chances are it will only come up during the interview. Talk the talk my friend, and just be honest.

People make mistakes. Checkrides are stressful and whether the examiner purposely tries to stress you or not, the stress is there. You need to learn how to deal with it and force yourself not to make mistakes on the next ride.

One thing that helped me on every checkride, was keeping things slow when it permitted. Think before you say or do. Your instructor wouldn't be sending you for a ride you weren't prepared for, so believe in yourself and the fact that you can do it and you have the knowledge. Checkrides are an 80% mental game and you need to get in the game before the ride begins. Check the nerves at the door and put on the Captain hat. Its your beast to tame, so grab the reins and get it done.

I've been on great checkrides and not so great checkrides. I've had great examiners and I've had very tough examiners. I had an examiner yelling in my ear on my Private ride, an examiner telling me the statistics on why I probably won't pass his CFI ride and a Chief pilot screaming "We're gonna die" in my ear during a checkout. I passed all of those checks because I was in the game mentality. I filtered out the non sense, grabbed the controls and did what I was trained to do, and what I knew I could do. There's no reason why you can't do the same.

I used to prep my students before sending them for checkrides. I would focus on getting them mentally ready to tame the beast. When the big picture is clear, you can see your ticket before the ride even starts. Don't look back, just prepare better for the next ones.
 
You may have felt prepared for the tests but maybe you just needed more time and practice. Reevaluate your instructor(s) and see if you would benefit from someone else's experience. Maybe a change would do you good, then you can be more confident about the CFI tests.
 
"I know a guy who busted 3 checkrides, including his CFI 3 times and is now flying for AmeriFlight"

Amflight will take anybody...
 
Amflight will give almost anybody an oppertunity to prove themselves in training, though there has been a historic 50% washout rate (which has been much lower these days), so not everybody will make it through training
 
jtrain609 said:
Amflight will give almost anybody an oppertunity to prove themselves in training, though there has been a historic 50% washout rate (which has been much lower these days), so not everybody will make it through training
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You've gotta commend them for giving people an opportunity in training.

Not too many companies really give people the benefit of the doubt.
 
SmitteyB said:
You've gotta commend them for giving people an opportunity in training.

Not too many companies really give people the benefit of the doubt.
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WTF are you talking about? RJ operators are hiring sub 500 hour pilots and they've got like a 90% pass rate. There's NO WAY some of those guys are getting through training without a bit of a pat on the head and the training department saying, "It's ok, you'll get it on the line!"
 
jtrain609 said:
WTF are you talking about? RJ operators are hiring sub 500 hour pilots and they've got like a 90% pass rate. There's NO WAY some of those guys are getting through training without a bit of a pat on the head and the training department saying, "It's ok, you'll get it on the line!"
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Ahh yes for initial hires the pass rate is 90%.


Dave, who says hi by the way, and works for _____ says that the UPGRADE pass rate for the first type ride is 50%.
 
jtrain609 said:
RJ operators are hiring sub 500 hour pilots and they've got like a 90% pass rate. There's NO WAY some of those guys are getting through training without a bit of a pat on the head and the training department saying, "It's ok, you'll get it on the line!"
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Three people failed out of my class of ten.

1) Colgan SAAB Captain, attitude "issues"
2) Gulfstream 1900 CA, problems in the sim with automation
3) 3600 TT professional CFI at an aviation college, problems during and after OE with flying the plane

In the class prior to me, the only person to fail/get fired was a guy that flew as CA in King Airs.

TT means nothing when it comes to 121 training IMO. Plenty of "low time" pilots are able to successfully complete training/OE where "high time" and "experienced" pilots are not.
 
jtrain609 said:
WTF are you talking about? RJ operators are hiring sub 500 hour pilots and they've got like a 90% pass rate. There's NO WAY some of those guys are getting through training without a bit of a pat on the head and the training department saying, "It's ok, you'll get it on the line!"
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JTrain, you misinterpreted my post.

I took your post as saying if you've got the time they'll take you no doubt.

I'm saying that some, not all airlines and other companies will not just take anyone. And the likes I'm talking about CHQ.

Sorry If my post was vague in content, maybe I didn't word it perfectly. I've never known someone to argue with someone who is agreeing with them the way you do.

That's one problem with a forum like this, mono-dimensional interpretations make people argue.
 
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