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Dj To Rule said:
Most leads I flew with, elder people, were great instructors.
My best experiences and learning has come from courses with experienced instructors.

You are right, just because they are a lead does not mean they are experienced. So it may be better to say experienced.

The problem with new hires is that they get extremely anal, paranoid, and competitive with their students and start quizzing them for their own insecurities.
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Yup, I can see that, but I don't think you can fairly relate that to being UND's fault, I think it is a generation thing (ie GenX, GenY, etc). Someone like that is going to be a dick at UND or at local corn field FBO.

I am starting to see it more and more now that I am away from flying 18 days a month and just being around "younger" people, and I'm not that old (30 in a few months). The instant gratification, desire to be an individual BUT be noticed and approved of by everyone, etc etc. No one really takes pride in what they do anymore.

The students I had the hardest time with fit that above mold. Any criticism was met with a myriad of excuses, an incomplete lesson was my way of milking them for money, a faied checkride, well the IP was out to get them, etc etc. Ask yourselves an honest question, of all the people you know in the aviation program, and with the probable amount of some failed stage checks, how many of them blamed themselves and LEARNED from it, or how many blamed something other than themselves (wind, bad stage pilot, did it correctly but the instructor didn't care, etc)? If that answer is heavily skewed towards NOT blaming themselves you gotta wonder, what is the real problem?

Here is an idea for you guys to take to the higher ups about the 112 course. Make it part of the commercial TCO, that way the time counts towards your 90 or so hours that you need by the end of 323. No reason it can't be and it would not be a waste of money and probably save a lot of headaches come the end of 323.
 
Dugie8 said:
Here is an idea for you guys to take to the higher ups about the 112 course. Make it part of the commercial TCO, that way the time counts towards your 90 or so hours that you need by the end of 323. No reason it can't be and it would not be a waste of money and probably save a lot of headaches come the end of 323.
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That's actually not a bad idea. I had to make up about 6 hours of flight time in 323. I knew of the 98 hour requirement early on so I made some of my 221 and 222 x-countries a little longer though.
 
God today was a bad day.

So I am sitting in ground school and my ground school teacher is asking the class a bunch of questions...

So he asks the class what ldmax was and I go "ohhh I know this ummm" before I could finish he goes "Justin, shut up. Let me go to the back of the room and ask the people with certification. "

I really liked the teacher before this class. He must of been having a bad day but he didnt seem like it. :banghead:

Oh and not only that. Some student after class turns in observation flights. At the start of the class I noticed they were not in the syllabus so I figured I didndt have to do them. He never mentioned them. I go up to him and ask him and he goes "Do you wake up every day deciding to be crazy? Its in the syllabus and I talked about them in class."

I checked the syllabus online right after class and boom nothing.

UND Aerospace... We train sooo much better then everywhere else that customer service is optional.
 
ZUKO said:
God today was a bad day.

So I am sitting in ground school and my ground school teacher is asking the class a bunch of questions...

So he asks the class what ldmax was and I go "ohhh I know this ummm" before I could finish he goes "Justin, shut up. Let me go to the back of the room and ask the people with certification. "

I really liked the teacher before this class. He must of been having a bad day but he didnt seem like it. :banghead:

Oh and not only that. Some student after class turns in observation flights. At the start of the class I noticed they were not in the syllabus so I figured I didndt have to do them. He never mentioned them. I go up to him and ask him and he goes "Do you wake up every day deciding to be crazy? Its in the syllabus and I talked about them in class."

I checked the syllabus online right after class and boom nothing.

UND Aerospace... We train sooo much better then everywhere else that customer service is optional.
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haha i actually want to know who that instructor is so i can sign up for them!! some of the do-do brains in my 222 class need a good smack every so often! (not related to your situation, just wanting to see some tards in my class get the smackdown :-D )


on the other hand, an instructor telling a student to "shut up", no matter the situation, is completely out of line.
 
Snickersnwa said:

Again, sarcasm without the tag? I can't tell for sure because I don't know you.

UND has a great program, but that doesn't mean that "Joe Student" from the local FBO with a good instructor won't be a good pilot.
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Indeed, my posts were dripping and melting with sarcasm.
 
AngelFuree said:
Indeed, my posts were dripping and melting with sarcasm.
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ZUKO said:
God today was a bad day.

So I am sitting in ground school and my ground school teacher is asking the class a bunch of questions...

So he asks the class what ldmax was and I go "ohhh I know this ummm" before I could finish he goes "Justin, shut up. Let me go to the back of the room and ask the people with certification. "

I really liked the teacher before this class. He must of been having a bad day but he didnt seem like it. :banghead:

Oh and not only that. Some student after class turns in observation flights. At the start of the class I noticed they were not in the syllabus so I figured I didndt have to do them. He never mentioned them. I go up to him and ask him and he goes "Do you wake up every day deciding to be crazy? Its in the syllabus and I talked about them in class."

I checked the syllabus online right after class and boom nothing.

UND Aerospace... We train sooo much better then everywhere else that customer service is optional.
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That seems like an odd thing to say out of the blue. Did you have CFI students or observers in your class he was referring to with 'certification'? At this point, I wouldn't think anyone in a Spring 102 class would have completed all the flying and have a certificate.

BTW-If observations were never mentioned in class and not on the syllabus, how did the other student know to turn one in? Did you miss a day of class? Did everyone else hold class and talk about observations without you?

Like the rank smells of Simplot and Red Lobster, something smells fishy... I don't miss that part of GFK at all!!
 
excessthrust said:
That seems like an odd thing to say out of the blue. Did you have CFI students or observers in your class he was referring to with 'certification'? At this point, I wouldn't think anyone in a Spring 102 class would have completed all the flying and have a certificate.

Those students in back are aviation 112 students. Basically the people who come to UND who already have their private pilot certificate being forced to take the same class I am.

BTW-If observations were never mentioned in class and not on the syllabus, how did the other student know to turn one in? Did you miss a day of class? Did everyone else hold class and talk about observations without you?

That students brother is a CFI and told him about it. I have not missed any class. Its not a big deal that I have to do them. I just do not like being called crazy. I am 99% that observations were never talked about because he forgot to put them in Course Outline.

Like the rank smells of Simplot and Red Lobster, something smells fishy... I don't miss that part of GFK at all!! I hate that smell.
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ZUKO said:
UND Aerospace... We train sooo much better then everywhere else that customer service is optional.
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Your groundschool teacher is a great resource, and has tons of experience (not going to mention names), and cares about his students very much.

Some of my most fond memories were in that class years ago.
 
Snickersnwa said:
Your groundschool teacher is a great resource, and has tons of experience (not going to mention names), and cares about his students very much.

Some of my most fond memories were in that class years ago.
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I agree with you. Thats why it shocked me. I really do not think he meant anything personal by it. He has been really awesome prior to this. Just curious but how do you know who I have?

Sometimes people slip and say things that they didnt mean to come out the way it did. etc. If it happens again, I will likely ask him about it.
 
Snickersnwa said:
Your groundschool teacher is a great resource, and has tons of experience (not going to mention names), and cares about his students very much.

Some of my most fond memories were in that class years ago.
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I remember those times,...remember suzie. :)
 
ZUKO said:
I agree with you. Thats why it shocked me. I really do not think he meant anything personal by it. He has been really awesome prior to this. Just curious but how do you know who I have?

Sometimes people slip and say things that they didnt mean to come out the way it did. etc. If it happens again, I will likely ask him about it.
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Well, I keep finding out that the industry isn’t as big as I thought it was, and that this school is pretty tight-knit. From what I’ve heard, I’m not sure that his reaction was quite the way that you had put it though. He does joke around a lot as well.

Also, there's a ton of time left in the semester to get those observation flights done... no need to worry! :)
 
Snickersnwa said:
Well, I keep finding out that the industry isn’t as big as I thought it was, and that this school is pretty tight-knit. From what I’ve heard, I’m not sure that his reaction was quite the way that you had put it though. He does joke around a lot as well.

Also, there's a ton of time left in the semester to get those observation flights done... no need to worry! :)
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I posted identically what happened in regards to the shut up comment. The observation flight comment was not exact but more of a combination of what he said to me in the hall and what he said to another student in the class.

You would not happen to be the brother of the student who turned his observation flights in? That would make a lot of sense. I believe he told me he worked on the ramp at crystal.
 
I remember being in the same 102 class and loving it. Re: your observations- from what I remember, he only mentioned it to us on the first day of class and then never again, it was just up to us to remember and turn them in. That said, I slacked a bit and never turned in my last observation! I still aced the class, though, so as long as you're doin alright in all the other stuff, it's not going to kamikaze your grade. That said, though, do the observations, they're invaluable! :)
 
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