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meritflyer said:
I guess I dont really understand how the pilots are to be blacklisted for the MEC's decision.

Did the pilots actually have a voice in the matter?

... just askin' too.
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Yeah, the pilots had a voice in the matter and that is why MD and other Delta guys are tarring the whole CMR pilot group. You're union is only as strong as you. I can easily understand how Delta pilots (and thanks for clarifying the situation MD) could hold a grudge against any VOTING pilot on CMR property at the time the MEC there did what they did. But that was back in 2003 I think and there have been a whole bunch of people hired then who had nothing to do with what happened.

In reality if any one pilot had stood up at the time (and there may very well have been) and said, "this is wrong" chances are nothing would have happened. It is VERY difficult to get enough support to remove a MEC. Where I am it took 4 years to remove a MEC that screwed over there own pilot group. Now think about trying to remove one that screwed over another pilot group. Unfortunately there are WAY too many pilots out there that only care about themselves.

EDIT: Max, it has nothing to do with wanting to be in the Delta system. I mean, that might have been the original question, but the post topic has moved on a bit.
 
I am afraid that SKYW and ASA may have their own problems ahead.

Alot of talk about the two.

I think you may see a distaste for eachother come about in the future.

Tell a Skywest pilot that ASA is Skywest East and enjoy the reaction.
 
meritflyer said:
I guess I dont really understand how the pilots are to be blacklisted for the MEC's decision.

Did the pilots actually have a voice in the matter?

... just askin' too.
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I think what MD is saying is that the MEC, who essentially speaks for the pilot group, wasn't being stopped.

I'm not sure how much info the pilot group actually had though, but Comair didn't even give their graces to helping DAL guys get on as FO's. I can see no flowbacks to CA slots, but as FO's at the bottom of the list?

But again, I'm not sure about 80% of the stuff that goes on at my carrier, and I'm on the communication committee. So my guess is most of the Comair guys didn't even know what their MEC (which is typically made up of the top 5% of the pilot group) was doing.

Sorry, repeated a lot of what was said above - I'm just a slow typer.
 
I apologize for the harshness of my comment about Comair being liquidated. I knew it was not the nicest thing in the world to say, and I knew it would generate a reaction. While I would not relish any individual being without a job, I abhor the Comair MEC and its attitudes and decisions over the last several years. Just as we get the government we deserve because we elect them, we also get union MEC leadership likewise.

I am bowing out of this topic (that I should have know better than to get into) and will have no further comments on this subject.
 
meritflyer said:
Tell a Skywest pilot that ASA is Skywest East and enjoy the reaction.
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Trust me, not a lot of ASA pilots like the term either, but they realize that is what it is and that there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

I have a horrible taste in my mouth when it comes to Skywest, they can not be trusted.

I also have a slight feeling that some Skywest pilots may actually enjoy the current (no contract) and ultimate fate (ASA fully absorbed into Skywest - flying under the Skywest banner) of ASA. Now that to me, is sick - sick because once again I am seeing a great southern based airline being eaten alive by big papa. - Just my opinion - perhaps the future will prove me wrong. I'm not holding my breath.

What in the world am I doing . . . I'm glad I'm still somewhat young
 
MDPilot said:
I apologize for the harshness of my comment about Comair being liquidated. I knew it was not the nicest thing in the world to say, and I knew it would generate a reaction. While I would not relish any individual being without a job, I abhor the Comair MEC and its attitudes and decisions over the last several years. Just as we get the government we deserve because we elect them, we also get union MEC leadership likewise.

I am bowing out of this topic (that I should have know better than to get into) and will have no further comments on this subject.
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I don't think you were harsh at all. The Comair MEC is scum. What you had here was a fellow pilot group, the Delta pilot group, that was beaten on the floor with their teeth kicked in. The Comair MEC, THAT REPRESENTED THE COMAIR PILOT GROUP decided to GAIN from the Delta's guys and gals misfortunes for their own gain.

Where is the professionalism in this? Where was the pay it forwardness of the leaders of the Comair pilot group? The Comair pilots as a whole creamed their pants when they saw their MEC go after Delta's 737 flying when the Delta pilots were out on the street and worrying about putting food on the table. Remember this is AFTER the Delta pilots supported Comair pilots with their strike.

Sorry guys, but the way Delta pilots feel about Comair pilots is MORE than valid. We make decisions on what companies we go to, we are put into a group based on the company we chose to recieve our paycheck from. This is the way this game is played, if you don't like it get out.
 
Seggy said:
Sorry guys, but the way Delta pilots feel about Comair pilots is MORE than valid. We make decisions on what companies we go to, we are put into a group based on the company we chose to recieve our paycheck from. This is the way this game is played, if you don't like it get out.
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Comair MEC? Sure. Pilots hired on property after that? Hmm, not so much IMO, but it's their prerogative to hold a grudge if they want to.

As far as the MEC representing the pilot group - see BobDDucks post on that. It took 4 years to remove the MEC at PSA that forked over the pilot group there. The MEC generally represents the interests of the top of the seniority list.

Another example - when my Company got pay raises, the senior guys got a huge percentage increase. When it came time for pay cuts, guess who got the least reduction in terms of percentage? The top guys. Guess who got the most reduction in percentage? The low and mid level longevity guys. Hmm..
 
Folks, you asked.

MD volunteered a straightforward answer "from the trenches" and you have to show MDPilot some luv for his taking the time to bring his perspective to an issue that's been on slow simmer for years.

Most guys, including myself sadly, would have said, "I'm not even touching this one because I don't want to spend the next week repeating myself to people that aren't going to get it". Hell, even I do a little 'soft shoe' when someone brings up the topic because it's difficult to accurately paint a picture of the genesis of the situation and the subsequent 'trial by forum' can be dizzying.

I'll try and get a copy of the "CRM" memo.

In terms of history, try carrying around the stigma of being a former Eastern pilot! Usually, it's "I flew herkies, and then I went on to Eastern BUT I'M NOT A SCAB! I left about six months previous to the strike because they were already shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.. etc etc etc"

Don't blindly jump at low mins and a shiney regional jet, do some research. Ya'll know what that dude on the GI Joe cartoon said about knowing being "half the battle".
 
I find it awfully hard not to launch into a rant when the Comair MEC gets mentioned. I'd better stop typing now.
 
Dude, how many times does this subject have to come up? If anyone in this forum wants to ever fly for Delta, DON"T FLY FOR COMAIR! Don't get me wrong. I work for Comair (mx control) and I love working here. I wouldn't mind flying for Comair, but if I have any aspirations for flying for Delta, I'd fly elsewhere. It sucks that J.C. Lawson and the the gang f'd over furloughed DL pilots. Like MD said all it they were looking for was at least an effort by the Comair MEC to get these guys a job with Comair without loosing their DL seniority number. Just an effort!
 
surreal1221 said:
I have a horrible taste in my mouth when it comes to Skywest, they can not be trusted.
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Can any airline be trusted? Having worked for a couple of different airlines, I don't think that SkyWest's management is abnormally untrustworthy.

I also have a slight feeling that some Skywest pilots may actually enjoy the current (no contract) and ultimate fate (ASA fully absorbed into Skywest - flying under the Skywest banner) of ASA. Now that to me, is sick - sick because once again I am seeing a great southern based airline being eaten alive by big papa. - Just my opinion - perhaps the future will prove me wrong. I'm not holding my breath.
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Where on Earth did you come up with the notion that SkyWest pilots are happy with ASA's plight? Have you discussed it with a lot of them, or just basing it on one or two bad eggs at the APC forums? I can tell you that *no one* I know "enjoys" what is happening at ASA right now.
 
A couple on APC, yes, but also two that are family friends. Granted, the two indicated that THEY are on ASA's side of the plight, but said they have heard from other crew-members that what is going on at ASA is ASA's problem and that Skywest came in at the right time and took advantage of the situation.
 
surreal1221 said:
A couple on APC, yes, but also two that are family friends. Granted, the two indicated that THEY are on ASA's side of the plight, but said they have heard from other crew-members that what is going on at ASA is ASA's problem and that Skywest came in at the right time and took advantage of the situation.
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I heard from three of my cousins, girlfriends, sisters boyfriends, father that Colgan is getting 747s....
 
Seggy said:
I heard from three of my cousins, girlfriends, sisters boyfriends, father that Colgan is getting 747s....
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Better watch out... United was going to get those. Now their pilot group is going to hate you and you'll never get hired at UAL.

(shouldn't you be outside having a snowball fight or something?)
 
This is my strategy. Get some of that 747 time and then get hired at DAL flying the new space shuttles they're getting and make REAL money!
 
Wow! I didn't even quite realize the extent of why DAL pilots had hatred toward Comair pilots. I even live in the NKY area close to CVG. Growing up here I always wanted to go to Comair, then hopefully go on to DAL. But I surely don't want to be hated by Delta guys/girls for working somewhere (Comair) previously. I also would hope that DAL wouldn’t go as far as liquidating Comair. That would put thousands of families out of jobs and just be tragic for everyone.
 
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