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Doug Taylor said:
BobDDuck-

I wouldn't consider it hypersensitive at all.

Walk a couple blocks in a formerly furloughed pilot's moccasins. It'll give you a brand new perspective on the actions of CMR's union leadership.

MD was furloughed, send him a PM and pick his brain a little. He's a good southern "straight shooter" that's not going to pull your leg and doesn't use the word "synergy".
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Dough - a question. What would the MEC have to do with hiring? Why wouldn't DAL management/union approach the people that do the hiring at Comair? Why have to go thru the Comair union to begin with?
 
wheelsup said:
Dough - a question. What would the MEC have to do with hiring? Why wouldn't DAL management/union approach the people that do the hiring at Comair? Why have to go thru the Comair union to begin with?
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I said I wasn't going to get into this.....





What the Delta MEC asked for was the support of the COMAIR MEC to simply request COMAIR management allow DAL furloughees to be hired without seniority resignment. COMAIR management might have said no, but at least the COMAIR pilots would have showed themselves to be sensitive to the DAL furloughee, and that was really what our MEC was requesting.

BTW, this is exactly what the ASA MEC did and ASA management agreed to let DAL furloughees apply without resigning seniority.

But, not only did the COMAIR MEC try to use the furloughees as a barganing chip, they also wrote a letter to COMAIR management (which I read but unfortunately did not get a copy of) that said, in essence, that forcing COMAIR Captains to fly with a DAL furloughee copilot would cause "safety of flight" and unrepairable CRM issues, so therefore the MEC could not support hiring of DAL furloughees.

As far as the general pilot population goes, I didn't see one resolution proposed, or any protest raised to this policy. The only turnaround occurred after DAL had been recalling pilots for about a year, the COMAIR MEC reversed their stance and supported the hiring of DAL furloughees, as if they needed the support at that point.

During the COMAIR strike, I and many others volunteered our time off to monitor local airport operations to ensure that Delta was not adding flights or increasing guage to try and subvert the strike. We voted for and paid the strike assessments to benefit COMAIR pilots out on strike. We were soon repaid in a fashion that totally surprised everyone.

Not long after the strike was over, the leadership of the COMAIR MEC (RJDC) filed suit against ALPA in a power grab attempt to dissolve mainline scope and try to force seniority integration. That lawsuit is still in litigation. Again, COMAIR pilots have not come out critizing their leaderships' actions.

I've had more than one COMAIR pilot in this timeframe sit on my aircraft's jumpseat, talking about their hire date at COMAIR being previous to mine at DAL, and they would be displacing me from my seat after the RJDC won the lawsuit and the seniority lists combined.

So pardon me if I don't have lots-o-love for the COMAIR pilot group. If you really want the truth, I hope DAL liquidates COMAIR and puts the entire pilot group out of work. I am not alone at DAL in any of these sentiments, particularly amongst past furloughees and first officers. Quite a number of Captains share these feelings too, even though their seniority insulated them from most of the COMAIR pilots' threats.
 
It does all sound like wrongdoings were afoot from your recount, and I am glad I know about it now. Thanks for sharing and sorry if it brought up grudging memories.
 
MD,

Thanks for "getting into" it and for the recap - like Loadmaster said that info isn't really out there. Also I didn't know the RJDC was essentially Comair. I guess it sucks to be those guys hired there that don't know what their MEC did in the past.
 
MDPilot said:
So pardon me if I don't have lots-o-love for the COMAIR pilot group. If you really want the truth, I hope DAL liquidates COMAIR and puts the entire pilot group out of work. I am not alone at DAL in any of these sentiments, particularly amongst past furloughees and first officers. Quite a number of Captains share these feelings too, even though their seniority insulated them from most of the COMAIR pilots' threats.
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Wow!

That'd sure put a damper on a whole lot of families and peoples' jobs if Comair went down the crapper.
 
i happen to be a new hire at Comair....and honestly, having only been here in training for the past 3 weeks i have never seen such a mess of an industry/workplace. sooooooooo much negativity, everyone hates each other, nobody is happy and it seems everyone is in some way pitted against each other. very very very strange to me. i don't know what has happened in the past here, who pissed who off or whatever, but from what some have posted it does sound very upsetting. but when you wish another pilot group out of existence, i gotta say i'm not with ya...in fact, its just another crap-ass attitude that seems to be very common with people in this career. now, don't get me wrong, i completely understand how upset ALL pilots are now-a-days. i just think forces beyond much of our control seem to want us all to hate each other. they want us fighting, they want us to pretty much do everything we can to crap on one another. i don't know, after only three weeks of this i can see why people are opting out of this career path entirely. its just one big mess, no one is working together....but you know what, i'm not going to quit. i'm going to stick with it, smile and if i run into you out on the line and you've let this career beat you down to the point where you wish me out of a job...i'll still smile, shake your hand and wish you a good day. no hard feelings, no hate from me. i love flying, but not so much that i'll let it ruin me...and if that starts to happen, i'm going to make the decision to leave what i love because its not worth being in that kind of situation. i'd rather be poor and happy than poor and miserable :)
 
I gotta agree with dakovich.

I really cant believe that one group of pilots would wish the other out of a job/life.

I also dont see how new hires working for Comair are to be held accountable for a MEC's decision that happened 5 years ago.

Just a thought.
 
Just use Comair for the hours...get up to 2500 hours and get yourself a Job with Net Jets or Flex Jet. That's my plan :)....but plans change every day...so who knows.
 
Sorry, I'm not wishing on COMAIR pilots anything they didn't wish on me first. I tried to tell you that you really didn't want to know my thoughts on the subject.

BTW, who said I was miserable, I love flying. I just don't like COMAIR.
 
dakovich said:
i happen to be a new hire at Comair....and honestly, having only been here in training for the past 3 weeks i have never seen such a mess of an industry/workplace. sooooooooo much negativity, everyone hates each other, nobody is happy and it seems everyone is in some way pitted against each other. very very very strange to me. i don't know what has happened in the past here, who pissed who off or whatever, but from what some have posted it does sound very upsetting. but when you wish another pilot group out of existence, i gotta say i'm not with ya...in fact, its just another crap-ass attitude that seems to be very common with people in this career. now, don't get me wrong, i completely understand how upset ALL pilots are now-a-days. i just think forces beyond much of our control seem to want us all to hate each other. they want us fighting, they want us to pretty much do everything we can to crap on one another. i don't know, after only three weeks of this i can see why people are opting out of this career path entirely. its just one big mess, no one is working together....but you know what, i'm not going to quit. i'm going to stick with it, smile and if i run into you out on the line and you've let this career beat you down to the point where you wish me out of a job...i'll still smile, shake your hand and wish you a good day. no hard feelings, no hate from me. i love flying, but not so much that i'll let it ruin me...and if that starts to happen, i'm going to make the decision to leave what i love because its not worth being in that kind of situation. i'd rather be poor and happy than poor and miserable :)
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I agree with you 100% dakovich!! That's the only way to handle it. Right on man!, and keep lovin flying!
 
MDPilot said:
Sorry, I'm not wishing on COMAIR pilots anything they didn't wish on me first. I tried to tell you that you really didn't want to know my thoughts on the subject.
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This doesnt represent the group as a whole. You know that.

Maybe the pilots were worried about their jobs too, just as the DAL guys were about finding jobs after being put on furlough.

Either way, I think its time to all get along.

Would you not like me if I were a Comair pilot?

See what I am getting at?
 
It's really easy to preach until you've been there yourself.



Never say anything about someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. By then, you've got a mile on him, and you've got his shoes, so you can say anything you want.
 
MDPilot said:
You know less than you think. How many Delta pilots have you talked to on this subject?
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I meant pilots as a collective group. Not Comair vs. Delta.

I have a hard time believing that one group wants the other out of a job BUT you already made such a comment.

Not trying to argue, just looking at the situation.
 
And how long do the DAL pilots plan to hold this against Comair Pilots? Why don't you just blacklist the ones there during the time, and work on building a new relationship with the other pilots?

And where is that MEC now?

Just asking.
 
I guess I dont really understand how the pilots are to be blacklisted for the MEC's decision.

Did the pilots actually have a voice in the matter?

... just askin' too.
 
Eh, I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to work for Delta, don't be employed with Comair. But if you still want to fly in the DCI system work for Skywest or Skywest east (ASA!)

Easy as pie!
 
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