An Apology to Colgan Pilot on Jetcareers

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Doug Taylor said:
Sorry to hit you twice in the same thread, but 'aink!' wrong answer.

Sometimes when you do the 'right' thing, you're going to make enemies. And if you make an enemy, they're not going to give you a favorable evaluation.

Scenario: the flight attendant commutes between LAX and OAK and you're sitting in RNO.

In RNO, she reports that the exit lighting is inoperative near the exit row and wants you to write it up in flight.

You look at the MEL and it's a "no go" item. You can't 'flight crew placard' it and it needs to be rectified by a mechanic before pushback. If you write it up in flight, she'll make her commuter flight home to OAK.

Do you do what's right by calling maintenance, potentially the flight and your flight attendant may miss her commuter flight home? Or do you play 'nice guy', depart with the exit sign lighting INOP, even though you can't flight crew placard the item, thus flying a legally unairworthy aircraft?

Then she's asked to do YOUR evaluation after missing her commuter flight.

What do you think she'll say?

Do you get points for being a great co-worker, helpful and thoughtful, but will fly an unairworthy aircraft to maintain good repoire with fellow crewmembers?

Do you LOSE points for flying a legally unairworthy aircraft, but were helpful to a senior, well-respected flight attendant?

Is she in a position to evaluate your performance as pilot-in-command?
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Very well put! I was actually going to type a response along these same lines but you beat me to it :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Sorry to hit you twice in the same thread, but 'aink!' wrong answer.

Sometimes when you do the 'right' thing, you're going to make enemies. And if you make an enemy, they're not going to give you a favorable evaluation.

Scenario: the flight attendant commutes between LAX and OAK and you're sitting in RNO.

In RNO, she reports that the exit lighting is inoperative near the exit row and wants you to write it up in flight.

You look at the MEL and it's a "no go" item. You can't 'flight crew placard' it and it needs to be rectified by a mechanic before pushback. If you write it up in flight, she'll make her commuter flight home to OAK.

Do you do what's right by calling maintenance, potentially the flight and your flight attendant may miss her commuter flight home? Or do you play 'nice guy', depart with the exit sign lighting INOP, even though you can't flight crew placard the item, thus flying a legally unairworthy aircraft?

Then she's asked to do YOUR evaluation after missing her commuter flight.

What do you think she'll say?

Do you get points for being a great co-worker, helpful and thoughtful, but will fly an unairworthy aircraft to maintain good repoire with fellow crewmembers?

Do you LOSE points for flying a legally unairworthy aircraft, but were helpful to a senior, well-respected flight attendant?

Is she in a position to evaluate your performance as pilot-in-command?
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word....well put doug
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
In a thread where you're apologizing to Colgan pilots about your braggadocio. Don't you think that your new avatar is bad form as well? As it is kinda thumbing your nose in their face, that you're jumping in the upgrade line before them? Yet again.
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you beat me too it max. ColganFO, its one thing if you had that avatar to start with but you put it up after all the commotion you started with your first few posts. Wrong colors too unless the colgans said you were upgrading at Pinnacle and just took Kelwolfs spot!
 
My last job I had gold epaulets, and I found it fitting because as of this point in my life that is my goal. I thought it'd be fitting to have an avatar that represented my current goal in life. Since I am a very goal orientated person I thought it was a good representation of who I am.
Please don't take it the wrong way, I know I have a unique way of thinking about things, but we are all a little unique in our own ways.
Those differences makes us all who we are, and that is what makes us all people.
Trust me no bad intentions in it at all.
I needed an Avatar and I thought it was fitting.
 
sigpilot said:
Wrong colors too unless the colgans said you were upgrading at Pinnacle and just took Kelwolfs spot!
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Nah, he wouldn't survive. If someone gets a secondary vacancy spot and someone behind him gets a primary spot, even if they're in the same class, people see red. If someone jumped in line by kissing up to management, he'd get a soap treatment Private Pyle style....

And Cruise. I know we fly into ABE, but I haven't yet. If I get an overnight there, I'll definately let ya know!
 
ColganFO said:
What is a soap treament party?? and who is Private Pyle?
Doesn't ring any bells?
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Watch the movie: Full Metal Jacket

Everything will become clearer to you when you're finished.
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Wait, hold on is it a war movie.
I don't watch war movies, I can handle the violence in them.
I don't think its a good idea to be exposed to that so I probably won't be watching Fill Metal Jacket.
 
ColganFO said:
Wait, hold on is it a war movie.
I don't watch war movies, I can handle the violence in them.
I don't think its a good idea to be exposed to that so I probably won't be watching Fill Metal Jacket.
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I've never met a male pilot with that mentality before.

I'm not trying to be rude but can you drive a stick shift? Might prove me wrong on another generalization I've thought about.
 
ColganFO said:
Sure Seggy what was your question?
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Seggy said:
ColganFO, what are the initials of the checkairman that was out of Albany?

The reason I ask this is we DO NOT have a checkairman on the Saab OR Beech that is based in ALB. We have one that is going through the training process, but it is not completed for him yet.

The other thing is, that IF what you are saying is true, why have none of us that are based there heard about this from him?

Once again what are the initials of the person that showed you this?
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Just trying to help!
 
His initials were E.Nigma......

HA HA HA
Na just kidding, I actually called him this morning before the annoucement and asked if he'd mine telling the JC community about who he was.
He told me he didn't want his name attached to it, so out of respect I have for him as one of my friends, I will not post his intials on here.
If I give this captains initials people will know who it is immidately, since he is the only checkairman with those initials.

No more PM's asking me for this information.
I will not share this captain's personal information out of respect, its the right thing to do.
The annoucement has already been made so it is no longer a rumour, that should be enough for everyone to know.
Hopefully people won't think of me as such a evil, manipulitave person you all seem to think I am.:(
 
ColganFO said:
........I personally had alot of expierence coming into Colgan, and I treated my job here the same as I did my other regionals jobs. ......
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So you had a lot of experience at other regionals (meaning you left more than one regional) to come to Colgan....

Yeah...O.K. :rolleyes:

ColganFO said:
My last job I had gold epaulets, and I found it fitting because as of this point in my life that is my goal. ..... Since I am a very goal orientated person I thought it was a good representation of who .....
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It's not the color, it's the boldeness of the 4-stripes given your posting history. I don't know a pilot here that isn't a goal oriented person.

ColganFO said:
......HA HA HA
Na just kidding, I actually called him this morning before the annoucement and asked if he'd mine telling the JC community about who he was.
He told me he didn't want his name attached to it, so out of respect I have for him as one of my friends, I will not post his intials on here.
.....I will not share this captain's personal information out of respect, its the right thing to do......Hopefully people won't think of me as such a evil, manipulitave person you all seem to think I am.:(
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Let's see we have Seggy who is a long-standing, respected member (and other Colganites) that are stating something to the contrary of what you state. Then there is you and your short, tumultuos (sp?) history and you wonder why people have the view of you that they do......:confused:
 
JEP said:
So you had a lot of experience at other regionals (meaning you left more than one regional) to come to Colgan....

Yeah...O.K. :rolleyes:



It's not the color, it's the boldeness of the 4-stripes given your posting history. I don't know a pilot here that isn't a goal oriented person.



Let's see we have Seggy who is a long-standing, respected member (and other Colganites) that are stating something to the contrary of what you state. Then there is you and your short, tumultuos (sp?) history and you wonder why people have the view of you......:confused:
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could not have said it any better myself. thank you jep! this guy/gal is pissing me off.
 
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