Eagle Desperate

goredbirds

goredbirds

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Wow, it's been a long, looooong time since I've been back to JC. Almost forgot what I was missing...

Anyways, the point:

American Eagle needs pilots for classes that started last week! AA calling back furloughs and attrition have us very short. http://www.airlineapps.com/Intro/Eagle/default.asp

Bridge program mins for certain schools (ERAU, UND, etc) are 500 / 100 and you need a letter of rec from the current dean.

Questions or advice just ask.
 
you think they'll hire me off the street if I sign a 5yr contract with them? :sarcasm:

Im surprised people aren't jumping on this. Right now they do have long upgrade times but everyone's saying it's supposed to speed up and nobody really complains about working there. Plus SJU would be cool.
 
E6BAV8R said:
Wish I could get the multi-time or I'd be on it.
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I'm applying without quite enough multi-time. All they'll say is, get more multi and reapply. And I have no multi-time in sight either, unless I pay for it. :(
That said, I'm still applying after xmas or in January, as soon as I get my crap together and knock out that ATP book :nana2: So if you're looking for multi time to split, tell me. I'm up in the northeast right now. I'm hoping being part of the bridge AND being a former Eagle intern will make em slide though. I hear rumors, they're sticklers for that 100ME and other rumors they've let it slide. Don't know who the heck to believe now. :confused:
 
Do they charge jumpseaters for commuting? I had heard they do.

What base is going junior now?
 
no they don't charge for jumpseaters that i know of. the stupid thing is they charge an employee a non rev fee when you get a seat in the back. I've figured away around that if the gate agent is nice. but other airline jumpseaters, they don't charge. were so short that every base is probably junior, except for LAX, then probably dallas.
 
Heath said:
Do they charge jumpseaters for commuting? I had heard they do.

What base is going junior now?
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SJU of course. From what they say over on AirlinePilotForums.com you wont know what airplane or base you get until day 7 of class...not to mention a 1 year seat lock.
 
Lately SJU hasn't been offered in class very much. The junior EMB base is ORD.

You find out on the first day of class where you'll be based, it's basically the first order of business.
 
Why does everyone make a big deal about not finding out what/where on the first day of class? I have a friend who went to Skywest and he didn't find out where he would be at until the first week too. In my class, 80% got what they wanted and all the babies in our class (pick based on age) have easy commutes since all our bases are major hubs with tons of flights each day.
 
The difference at Eagle is that there are two different airlines, which means two different basic indoc classes. After you find out what airplane and base you get, the ATR people go to Executive Airlines indoc, while the Saab and Jet people go to Eagle indoc. Since basic indoc is always the first week of class, it would be impossible for us to delay the initial aircraft bid (seniority based on age). How or why they already know on the first day of class what bases will be handed out along with the aircraft is over my head...

At places where there is only one operating certificate, there is no need seperate the class early, and at places with only one fleet type, you might not find out where you're headed until after you finish in the sim.

Generally speaking, you can usually switch bases fairly early in your time with an airline that has enough movement to be hiring. It took me just 3 months to leave my originally assigned base for the one I really wanted.
 
subpilot said:
Why does everyone make a big deal about not finding out what/where on the first day of class? I
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Not knowing the where prior to class is not a big deal. Not knowing what aircraft you're going to school for is a big deal. If you get the Saab, you're going to be stuck in DFW/LAX for over a year. If you get the ATR, it's SJU/MIA for more than a year. It's difficult to plan your life when you have no clue what part of the Western Hemisphere you're going to be stuck in.

I have a friend who went to Skywest and he didn't find out where he would be at until the first week too.
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He may not have found out which base he was going to, but he knew what plane he was going to be in. That narrows down the possible bases, and it's *very* easy to move between most bases at Skywest right now.

Eagle is the ONLY airline that I know of that doesn't tell you the aircraft until you show up, and I know for a fact that that's a big part of why they're so desperate for pilots.

In my class, 80% got what they wanted and all the babies in our class (pick based on age) have easy commutes since all our bases are major hubs with tons of flights each day.
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In my class, 66% did NOT get what they wanted (two thirds went to SJU). A 30yr old got sent to San Juan. If you don't live in either NYC or Florida, SJU is not an easy commute at all. I thought there were a lot of good things about Eagle, but because of the way they assign bases and aircraft it's a HUGE gamble to go to class there if you and your family aren't completely mobile. I'm glad it paid off for the people in your class; half of my classmates are gone now.
 
subpilot said:
Why does everyone make a big deal about not finding out what/where on the first day of class?
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Are you serious?

I and I'm sure many other pilots have no desire to get based in another country.

They should simply say: "Hi Jimmy, we would like to offer you the postion on the ATR-72 based out of San Juan, Puerto Rico"

That way, people can say "No way in hell, I can't speak spanish" or they can accept. They'd get a lot less people unhappy and a better workplace.

Being from the northeast (and I cannot speak for anyone but myself on this issue) the only other option other than SJU on the ATR is MIA. No thank you, Florida blows!
 
I guess your not out anything to show up the first day at least. They pay for your travel and hotel. You can always walk away after the first day. Better than going through a week or two of ground school before getting your assignment.

My seat lock is only 12 months long and then I can bid for any base/equip that I choose. Hell, when I joined the military I had no guarantees as to location either and my contract was 6 years. I guess people that complain about eagle would really complain about joining the military.
 
subpilot said:
I guess your not out anything to show up the first day at least. They pay for your travel and hotel. You can always walk away after the first day. Better than going through a week or two of ground school before getting your assignment.

My seat lock is only 12 months long and then I can bid for any base/equip that I choose. Hell, when I joined the military I had no guarantees as to location either and my contract was 6 years. I guess people that complain about eagle would really complain about joining the military.
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Thats expected of the military though.

What Eagle does is bs and untill they change it they will need pilots.
 
Maybe its just me, but I think the 9 year upgrade time (or whatever it is now) might have something to do with why they need pilots. That's playing the biggest part of why I'm not interrested, more so than not knowing what or where. And yes, I know upgrade times change all the time and I shouldn't decide bassed on that alone, but come on, Eagle is ridiculous. and if there's any hickup in the industry and American gets into trouble, I'd go aout on the street, even if Eagle is doing fine. But of course the whole flow thing has its advantages too. Sure I have to give my job to a furloghed American pilot, or if I'm lucky I only have to wait a decade to upgrade, but I also get to move up to American when they start hiring right? :sarcasm:

No thanks! I'd rather go to Mesa.
 
Eagle had no new hires from September 2001 to Jan 2004. That time period is filled with about 800 or so flowbacks from American. American is starting to take back those 800 or so pilots starting next month and they are all sitting in the left seat. That huge gap in no new hires means that if the last pilot from 2001 makes captain in '08 then our upgrade would instantly go from 7 years to 4 years.
 
subpilot said:
Eagle had no new hires from September 2001 to Jan 2004. That time period is filled with about 800 or so flowbacks from American. American is starting to take back those 800 or so pilots starting next month and they are all sitting in the left seat. That huge gap in no new hires means that if the last pilot from 2001 makes captain in '08 then our upgrade would instantly go from 7 years to 4 years.
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I guarantee less than half that flow back to mainline.

"Gee, go back to being an FO or stay captain where I have a great schedule and a lot of time off."

Certainly there will be many that flow back, but not as much as you guys would like.
 
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