Help on part 141 commercial syllabus

USMC-SSGT

USMC-SSGT

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Here is the scenario. In two weeks I will have my instrument multi and single ratings completed with around 175 hours total time and 60 of multi. In those hours I have somewhere around 40 of XC and 30 of PIC XC time. The commercial syllabus calls for something like 120 total hours mostly to get the 50 PIC XC time done.

My question is: With me already having around 175 hours and by the time I start my commercial I will have around 35-40 hours of XC PIC time will I still be required to complete the ENTIRE 120 hour part 141 commercial syllabus? The reason I am asking is for those of you who know I am getting out of the Marines in April and I am trying VERY HARD to complete all my ratings through CFII and MEI by that time (I am flying 5 times per week, sometimes 6) If I have to fly the full commercial syllabus I will never ever get done by April because even flying 5 times per week at 2 hours per flight or so it will take 3 months just to hit those hours which will put me 105 hours above the part 141 requirement of 190 hours for commercial..

If that would be the case I think I would have no choice but to just build time to 250 hours and just take my checkride part 61.

Does anyone know if I need to do the complete syllabus, or just the parts which I have not already accomplished in my training to reach 190 hours and all of the tasks in the syllabus?
 
The 141 commercial course is 120 hours. You must do 120 hours in the course. Regardless of how many previous hours you have.

The school can give you credit for up to 25% of those required hours, so that means you could be reduced to only having to fly 90 hours. That depends on the flight evaluation done by the chief instructor who will credit certain lessons in the course.

You already have 175, so if you get max credit, you still will have 265 hours flying it 141.

Better to go 61.
 
I'm going the same route via the GI bill right now. Carefully read appendix D of part 141. You have to complete the 120 hours while enrolled in an approved commercial course with an approved syllabus. You may be able to credit some past flight time but I'm not familiar with those regs. If you are on VA bennies, you are pretty much going to have to knock out 120 more but the cool thing is it's mostly xc so at least you can get to see some new places. 55 dual and 65 solo yeehaw
 
That kind of stinks...I would love to fly the hours especially while the VA is paying 60 percent of it but there is no way it will work with my timeline. Even if I managed to fly a 2.5 hour night cross country (night is the only time I am not at work) 4 times per week it would take me 3 full months.

so it looks like this may be the best option.
doing the math it looks like I will need 70 hours to get to 250 so I can just do it part 161 so if I just buy a block of 70 hours to just get the time it will cost me

Duchess= $165 X 70 = $11550.00
Or a better option Cessna 152= $55 X 70 = $3850.00

Not really what I was looking to do but it will get the job done, get me to 250 so I can take my CMEL and CSEL rides and get onto the instructor portion of my training so I can hopefully be done be April 1st. I really wanted to do all of it in the twin but not if it is not going to be while using VA benis. I will have 60 hours in the duchess by the time my instrument is done and than add my commercial multi and my MEI and doing my initial CFI in the twin and I should be over my 100 hours that I was looking to build while doing my ratings.

Any better ideas?
 
USMC-SGT said:
That kind of stinks...I would love to fly the hours especially while the VA is paying 60 percent of it but there is no way it will work with my timeline. Even if I managed to fly a 2.5 hour night cross country (night is the only time I am not at work) 4 times per week it would take me 3 full months.

so it looks like this may be the best option.
doing the math it looks like I will need 70 hours to get to 250 so I can just do it part 161 so if I just buy a block of 70 hours to just get the time it will cost me

Duchess= $165 X 70 = $11550.00
Or a better option Cessna 152= $55 X 70 = $3850.00

Not really what I was looking to do but it will get the job done, get me to 250 so I can take my CMEL and CSEL rides and get onto the instructor portion of my training so I can hopefully be done be April 1st. I really wanted to do all of it in the twin but not if it is not going to be while using VA benis. I will have 60 hours in the duchess by the time my instrument is done and than add my commercial multi and my MEI and doing my initial CFI in the twin and I should be over my 100 hours that I was looking to build while doing my ratings.

Any better ideas?
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Fly a 152 for cheap to get to 240 hours. Spend 10 hours training towards your CMEL. At your 250th hour, take the CMEL checkride.

During your 152 time building, train with a CFI for the commercial maneuvers. As long as you take the CMEL first, you satisfy the requirement for utilizing a complex aircraft on the CSEL checkride. You will then be able to take the CSEL checkride right after the CMEL.

Michael
 
siegelaviation said:
Fly a 152 for cheap to get to 240 hours. Spend 10 hours training towards your CMEL. At your 250th hour, take the CMEL checkride.

During your 152 time building, train with a CFI for the commercial maneuvers. As long as you take the CMEL first, you satisfy the requirement for utilizing a complex aircraft on the CSEL checkride. You will then be able to take the CSEL checkride right after the CMEL.

Michael
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Is this correct? I thought to do the CMEL as your initial, you had to fulfill the commercial requirements for the ME, i.e., 10 hours doing duties as pilot in command, 2 hour day VFR x-cntry, 2 hour night VFR x-cntry, long VFR x-cntry not at least 300 NM, etc., in a ME plane.

So how does one fly a 152 for 240 hours and then only do 10 hrs in a ME plane and then do the CMEL as his initial commercial when he hasn't fulfilled all the requirements?

So you are telling me I could do the CMEL as initial without fulfilling all those ME commercial requirements? I am not saying you are wrong, but my understanding has been totally different. Of course it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :)

Or is this a 141 specific scenario? Or did I just totally misunderstand what was being discussed? :)
 
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