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Yeah, I have to agree. While I think you'd do just fine in normal situations, I think with an emergency on your hands the captain would have to take up a lot of your slack. That's just a guess from me though. 280 seems pretty low to me. Heck, I have 280 hours, granted I'm not done with training, nor have even had a job yet. If that makes a differenc.
 
I'm glad he got hired! Makes you all jealous doesn't it :insane:

Table skills, flying skills, doesn't matter, he's got a job, a life to catch.

Don't know who it is, either way congrats!
 
I'm a firm believer that TT isn't always indicative of a pilot's skill/experience, etc...HOWEVER, at 280TT, the student just got done flying Seminoles, and the transition to a jet from a small airplane for a pilot that has only flown this multi-engine plane for a few hours for the sake of stage-check completion is ridiculous. And if this pilot is really that good at flying, then why on earth do we not have him/her as a fighter pilot or an acro pilot. Those are the jobs that need these excellent pilots.

I don't know who it was, but either way, congrats to the person who got hired. He/she must be pumped, and I don't blame'em.

edit: omg, I was almost forgetting. I'm sorry, but if I were an airline, I would NOT trust a 280TT pilot to be flying my passengers, when the only environment he/she has been exposed to is the GFK bubble. My god, the experience you get here is SOOOOO not real-world! I say this from experience.


well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva
 
well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva
You might want to read my post again. I congratulated the guy though I still hold my stance on what I said. Furthermore, you are right. I'm not in 414. I'm about done w/ CFII, and if you think I'm gonna hold back my opinions in fear that it may compromise camaraderie from 15, 20, 30, or 100 UND CFIs on JC or anywhere else, then you're wrong. Nothing that has been said here is directed at the individual, and if what has been said hurts his/her/your UND pride, then so be it. After all, being a UND student/instructor should make you the proudest person ever. :sarcasm:

I'm getting close to 3 years of being at this school. Even though networking is important, I'm not gonna hold my thoughts or opinions on something just for the sake of kissing some ass. There's plenty of people to network from, and I know plenty more cool people in the aviation department at UND and outside UND. You might think that I say all of this in the forums because you can't see my face, but believe me....I stand out pretty easily in a crowd of 50,000 NDans, and even if you didn't know me, you could easily guess who I am. The thought doesn't bother me, I don't hide. The character that a lot of you guys in the UND forums might not like about me is what has also gotten me many firm connections and friends.

Why am I taking the time to write this post? Simple. I do it because I think way too many people are ####ified because of networking and lots of UND students should wake up.

This is going way off-topic, I must admit, but I've noticed a continuing trend in students letting themselves being treated as simple students here from fear of retaliation by the upper ladder or simply because they don't care.
I see a lot of mistreatment to students by new hires and by older CFIs where the students don't speak up. I'm so sick and tired of seeing that. You don't know how much it bothers me when I see students coward beneath their CFIs and other school employees because they feel so inferior to them that they're just afraid of speaking up, or even students taking sh t from cocky SOFs or cocky airport employees. I'm not even saying that you should argue getting down to a low class, but don't let those employees go on a power-trip with you just because you think it might affect your chances of networking or getting hired. Honestly, you don't know how many times I've spoken up to those types of people. I don't argue w/ them, because there's no reason for me to argue with them. I'm paying them and I'm the customer, and they realize it when you set your attitude as a customer. No one will step on you if you take the firm stance. Now, if you coward like the 100lb freshman kids, everyone will step on you. Quite sad to say, but the customer relations at UND has been declining so much these past few months. I am happy to say that a few of the leads are doing an excellent job so far with treating students as customers, and that makes me happy, but I would be happier if other instructors and employees would learn from these individuals and raise their level of professionalism.
Step up guys.

/end off-topic rant.
 
well what makes you think he just got done flying the seminole? I know the guy and well you are so far off from the truth its hilarious and I know the UND flight instructors on the forums will agree. I would say until you know who the person is I would not cast judgement on there flying abilities. For those who feel that 280 hours TT in the UND bubble is not real world flying expereiocne may have some truth to it but I also know that UND bubble has its very challenging points to it. I just think you guys need to stop the judgement of this guy and say congrats and nothing more. None of this at 280 hours is not ready to fly a CRj crap. I know that the most of you who post on here are not UND flight instructors and are not even in 414. So I would be careful because there are UND flight instructors on here and when you start dogging UND, Flight Instructors, and anything else to complain about, they read and they remember who said what, and who is to say that they may not give you a hard time when they are flying with you?
-Farva
Yeah uh congrats. Is this guy some sort of hero for you folks up there in the great white north. Sounds like it and I guess your thinking by kissing his butt, praising him, and defending him will somehow get you the same gig??? I don't care if this guy was the son of the President of PCL at 280 hours you haven't seen enough flying days/nights to be experienced enough to fly that shiny jet.
Is 414 some course up there? Or are we referring to the airplane. Regardless, I'm not dogging UND or their flight instructors. I hope they read and remember what this industry is coming to. You guys should have shirts that say "Fear the UND Flight Instructors"...."They may fly with you and give you a hard time". What a joke.
 
Maybe this subject gets a little old at times, but I don't think that the new guys understand when we say that there is more to flying jets than being a good pilot or a smart guy or passing checkrides with flying colors. The reality is that there is one more piece to the puzzle - experience. People get experience by: flying in the system; seeing and dealing with all kinds of weather; dealing with other people, both in and out of the cockpit; handling equipment malfunctions; dealing with turbulence and icing and thunderstorms; making hundreds of decisions about what the weather is doing, what it might do, and how to respond to it; learning how the ATC system works in the real world day-to-day operations; learning the vagaries of your aircraft and what parameters are most important to follow and which ones are less lethal; and literally thousands of other things that you learn every time you fly, one day, one flight at a time. There is nothing that will make up for experience. A 280 hour pilot can not and does not have enough time in the system with real world flight experience, to truly be an asset in a jet cockpit. I don't care if he has Bob Hoover-like stick skills, he doesn't belong there.
 
I'll say this... the experts on this site, the guys who really care about aviation, like Doug and Steve above, know what they're talking about. I won't repeat what they said.

What I want to ask is why someone would want to go to an airline with only 280TT? Guys, there is SO much to see out there in the world of aviation. There is so much to do, and so much to experience. What's the rush? Enjoy the ride. As good as this guy may be, I believe he's missing out on a lot of stuff by going straight to an airline so soon. I don't know him, never been to UND or a school like it, but it doesn't matter. This applies to anyone. If you're young, just starting out, go enjoy aviation before you get strapped to a uniform, a paycheck, and a schedule.
 
The reality is that there is one more piece to the puzzle - experience.

... learning the vagaries of your aircraft and what parameters are most important to follow and which ones are less lethal;

... like high altitude characteristics?



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[rhetorical question -- I'm not soliciting actual responses]



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I'll say this... the experts on this site, the guys who really care about aviation, like Doug and Steve above, know what they're talking about. I won't repeat what they said.

What I want to ask is why someone would want to go to an airline with only 280TT? Guys, there is SO much to see out there in the world of aviation. There is so much to do, and so much to experience. What's the rush? Enjoy the ride. As good as this guy may be, I believe he's missing out on a lot of stuff by going straight to an airline so soon. I don't know him, never been to UND or a school like it, but it doesn't matter. This applies to anyone. If you're young, just starting out, go enjoy aviation before you get strapped to a uniform, a paycheck, and a schedule.
:yeahthat: Very wise viewpoint :yeahthat:
 
I left UND at 280 hours. But I sure would be interested in seeing who got hired. I probably had 102 with alota them. I think I'm going to stick it out and go to a better regional than Pinnacle though.
 
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