Pilot shortage?
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No doubt. That's shocking as hell.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
I believe Ameriflight also requires their piston and BE99 pilots pay for their charts. Or they did as of a year or two ago. Definately not common though.
We've seen a lot of changes in the regionals lately - pinnacle starting to pay for hotel/training, skywest starting to pay (at a reduced rate) for training, now paying for jepps, etc. My airline has doubled to tripled its training classes vs. this time 6 months ago and it's not because we're growing. 80% of the attrition is captains leaving for greener pastures. If it were mostly FO's leaving I'd be concerned but only a few are leaving. And even some that are leaving are going to the frax (if you're into that) or CAL.
Hootie
Old Skool
It's True, it blows, and it leads to people flying around with expired jepps, or NOS plates.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Oh, man. Pinnacle actually looks a little bit better after that. Didn't know that about SkyWest.
As far as a pilot shortage, there is and there isn't. I think there's a shortage of qualified pilots willing to work for lower wages, so instead of raising wages, some airlines are lowering mins to let in the guys that don't wanna instruct. I think that's the wrong way to go. Jesus, I sound like Don.
I think it's a combination of the above and hype from academy type schools looking to boost enrollment when they start talking "pilot shortage."
As far as a pilot shortage, there is and there isn't. I think there's a shortage of qualified pilots willing to work for lower wages, so instead of raising wages, some airlines are lowering mins to let in the guys that don't wanna instruct. I think that's the wrong way to go. Jesus, I sound like Don.
I think it's a combination of the above and hype from academy type schools looking to boost enrollment when they start talking "pilot shortage."
Why in the heck should a pilot pay for Jepps?
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Exactly. Funny how I didn't know that we had to until week 3 of GS.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Good question, I'm not sure. We are supposedly getting EFBs next year sometime (has been coming 'next month' for a looong time now). I know we'll have to carry our Jepps for awhile once they are installed, but thankfully I had my own binders (got'em free!) so they won't be getting those!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ameriflight does NOT make you pay for Jepps. They can't in fact, the FAR's say that the company needs to furnish you with the plates you're going to be using. Hence, Ameriflight makes you pay for it outta pocket and they chunk of part of your paycheck to pay for Jepps and uniforms.
Do you ever see that chunk? No, but that's how accounting does it so they technically say you're not paying for your uniform or your Jepps, but you have to throw the cash money down up front.
It's $382.00 for a years subscription to the western U.S. plus $70 for two plastic binders. Uniform shirts are $17 each at Marv Golden, a pair of Dickies can be found for $20 each and you've gotta find a pair of work boots that'll fit the uniform description (not really very hard, I'm wearing Sketchers right now).
So it sucks, yes, but a first year Chieftain captain makes as much as a second year Pinnacle, Mesa or Colgan FO and AMF pilots can upgrade to turbine equipment (as PIC) in 6 months or less. It's all about tradeoffs eh?
Do you ever see that chunk? No, but that's how accounting does it so they technically say you're not paying for your uniform or your Jepps, but you have to throw the cash money down up front.
It's $382.00 for a years subscription to the western U.S. plus $70 for two plastic binders. Uniform shirts are $17 each at Marv Golden, a pair of Dickies can be found for $20 each and you've gotta find a pair of work boots that'll fit the uniform description (not really very hard, I'm wearing Sketchers right now).
So it sucks, yes, but a first year Chieftain captain makes as much as a second year Pinnacle, Mesa or Colgan FO and AMF pilots can upgrade to turbine equipment (as PIC) in 6 months or less. It's all about tradeoffs eh?
EatSleepFly
Well-Known Member
I flew for a freight company prior to AMF that had a full US/Canada subscription in every plane- updated and maintained by... get this- the know-nothing, careless dispatchers.
Nothing like pulling out a Jepp binder for BFE Nebraska at 2am in a total $hitstorm, and the ILS chart that's supposed to be there and that you can't get in without, is missing. Or wondering if they really had everything up to date while you're shooting a VOR-A to mins at some airport in the mountains in Vermont.
$250/year ($.68/day, tax deductible) for Jepp renewals really isn't that big of a deal for me. It's not ideal, but at least I know my plates are up to date, my paychecks aren't going to bounce, and the chances of me getting furloughed next week are pretty slim. I probably spend at least that much in bars in a month.
Besides, like JTrain said, there's an allowance in our paycheck for them. :insane:
Nothing like pulling out a Jepp binder for BFE Nebraska at 2am in a total $hitstorm, and the ILS chart that's supposed to be there and that you can't get in without, is missing. Or wondering if they really had everything up to date while you're shooting a VOR-A to mins at some airport in the mountains in Vermont.
$250/year ($.68/day, tax deductible) for Jepp renewals really isn't that big of a deal for me. It's not ideal, but at least I know my plates are up to date, my paychecks aren't going to bounce, and the chances of me getting furloughed next week are pretty slim. I probably spend at least that much in bars in a month.
Besides, like JTrain said, there's an allowance in our paycheck for them. :insane:
Fo realz?!
Someone a couple weeks ago told me that ALL the majors are requiring jet time.
I asked, "Above and beyond turbine time?"
"Oh yeah..."
"Could you name one and also, what about the USAF & Army C-130 drivers plus the Navy P-3 drivers that all the airlines love?"
Suprisingly ignored the question and changed the subject.