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I have been lurking on these forums for a long time now soaking up posted the collective wisdom and finally decided to join (the only free thing in aviation) and for the last week the server has been nagging me:

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So... Hi... My name's Rich, I'm a 31 yr. old CFI in Santa Monica, CA. 1000/100hrs. So I am just starting to apply for the 1st job at a regional.

Here's my somewhat abbreviated story: (which, if it reads too much like a pretentious cover letter, I apologize - I've been polishing the resume this week and am stuck in business-speak)

I started out in the film business I had alot of great experiences but ended up with a whole lot of debt from school and trying to "break into the business."

Anyway, through a friend I was able to get a real job and I have been working in the aviation industry since 1999.

I started out as an international cargo export agent at the world famous Los Angeles International Airport. Recognizing my talent and ability to manage multiple tasks and supervise people I was quickly promoted. I supervised office and warehouse operations for both passenger and freighter flights. We would handle anywhere from 50 to 250,000 lbs. of freight for every flight. (we would typically handle 1 Passenger 747 w/500-5,000 lbs and a freighter with 210,000 lbs.) The cargo would be received, sorted, unitized, and transported to the aircraft. The paperwork would be received, broken down, entered into a cargo tracking system, and manifested for US Customs and abroad. This was dirty and difficult work.

Once I hit a "glass ceiling" at that company, I moved on to a position as an evening operations manager for a freight forwarder. I was responsible for supervising the entire operation during the busiest shift - the evening. We would typically handle enough freight to fill one 747 from Los Angeles to Hawaii. I was responsible for selling space on the aircraft, supervising the receiving and buildup of the cargo, interacting with the aircraft leasing company, and supervising ground operations. (overseeing loading, unloading, and distribution of the freight) The buck stopped at me - I was the boss and responsible for making sure that the plane left full and on-time every night.

From there I took a position with Southern Air Inc. as a traveling Instructor/Loadmaster. The Loadmaster on an aircraft is responsible for everything outside of the cockpit on the ground and in the air you are a member of the crew as a safety officer. Most of my responsibilities were on the ground. I was responsible for overseeing the uploading and offloading operations, performing the weight and balance, and interacting with the customers and ground crew. The Loadmaster is the fulcrum that holds everything together on the ground. At some point, everything passes through you and you have to know a little bit about everything. You need to understand everything about ground operations on the tarmac, hazardous materials handling, international import and export regulations, cargo unitization, and managing the people that perform those functions. I was also an instructor, teaching others to do the job of being a Loadmaster.

I traveled the world with Southern Air and worked in many different countries over most of the continents. While working, I was told by some of the flight crews that I was pretty damn smart and that I should be up front with the flight crew if I was interested in flying. I agreed with them wholeheartedly and jumped in with both feet first.

I started my training for my PPL in July of 2001. I earned my license in May of 2002. (which was pretty good for a 20 and 10 schedule with the weather around Chicago) Instrument later that year in 2002, Commercial and CFI in March/April 2003 and teaching ever since. (Let's see.. I've been scammed in Florida, taught in Cleveland, and in California)

It's been very tough. (but, who hasn't gone through a similar "paying of the dues" - I've worked very hard and am really looking forward to the next step) There hasn't been alot of movement - i.e. the "trickle down effect" - for the last few years and I have been stuck right in the middle of it. (not that I am bitching, [but I know, I know, quit the bitchin'...] although I firmly that it's the airline pilot's eternal right to bitch and no matter how good it is they will bitch about something. For instance... hey, guys, how about cleaning these blankets that haven't been washed in over a year to... I'm not flying till I get my Diet Pepsi. ---The first, I saw at SA, the second was attributed to a Air Jamaica Capt. to me by a former AJ Cheif Pilot after sitting in Lima, Peru for 8 hrs. waiting for a simple MX problem to be fixed. [incidentially, we were trying unsucessfully to nap using those same blankets that haven't been cleaned, and probably still haven't] Hey, when you are in Germany and your only choices are to have a bull session or watch Star Trek in Deutch, well, it'll be the bull session everytime) But, I digress...

Sept. 11th hit right as I began my path on my new career and it has overshadowed everything since. But, I have lived the lifestyle of the "freight dog" and I loved the work. When someone asks me if I can handle the schedule - I chuckle and think back to the time where I had 12 days on the 747 with one shower on day #6. (I got real good at taking a bath in the lav sink) Or, the three day trips where I would see 6 crew changes.

Now... looking back, it was crap what management did to us. (And I did pay the price once... I was so tired one day that I fell down an open E&E hatch where the MX crew disconnected the safety light "because it was distracting") To this day I am shocked that the FAA refuses to regulate the duty day of a traveling load - it will kill some unsuspecting crew someday.

Today, I am an instructor in Santa Monica, CA. I work out of a small school called Santa Monica Aviation and I also do independent instructing on the side. I have been teaching here in SoCal since 2004. I've been volunteering with the FAA as an ASC while here and have helped to host countless seminars and even given a few of them. I'm in the CAP and a proud member of the EAA. (I try and participate in every Young Eagle event we have at KSMO) Like I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I have just crested my 1K and am going to be sending out resumes like crazy over the next month.

Anyhoo... it's great to be a part of such a fun industry and a great group of people. I've learned alot by reading the posts over the last couple of years and I hope to have fun interacting with all of you in the future.

I hope there's room for a JCForums "newb" at the Networking event at the end of this month.

Rgds,

Rich P.
 
Welcome. I harp on folks that everyone needs to "pay their dues" in this industry. You certainly have.

Would you go back to SA if you had the chance or are you done with that?

What do you mean by "scamed in Florida""?

I love SMO by the way. Got a "failure to stop" ticket from a motorcycle cop hiding by the stop signs on the south side of the airport where there is a plane crossing, so you're supposed to stop. Also, loved the airport cafe at the south east corner. Is it still there?
 
Thanks!!!

> Would you go back to SA if you had the chance or are you done with that?

Actually, I loved it at Southern, they are great people to fly with and I keep in touch with a few of the guys and send notes to the Chief Pilot every 6-8 months or so letting him know I am still alive. I learned so much just sitting in the jump seat, I can't imagine what I would learn in the right.

The minimums are:

> Our First Officer minimum requirements are: ATP; 3,000 hrs; 500hrs turbo-jet 41,000 lbs; 1st Class Medical; US Passport.

You typically work a 20/10 schedule, sometimes back to back.. which can mean 40 days on the road. With a family... that's a long time to be away from them. (but, since I don't have a family it's not a issue) There was a time when they had a Miami domicile, and that was good, (if you lives in MIA) because most guys could be @ home on rest time between trips. For most people though it was "home basing" - so you would be in the hotel between trips. But in freight, you never know... one day you can have the greatest contract in the world, home every night, and the next you are flying up asparagus from Lima to MIA, and haven't seen your bed in 39 days.

But, heck yeah! I would be back there in a second. I liked the lifestyle and the fact that you don't fly the same routes all of the time. I'm hoping to apply with Atlas/Polar, SA, and Connie (Kalitta) when I have the experience. I know everyone jokes around that the freight doesn't talk back, etc... but l like that the flying is interesting and the potential for having an adventure in a foreign land is always there. There is something to be said fo not knowing where you are going to wake up tomorrow.

I never liked the maintenence practices though... the revolving DI's especially... INS #1 INOP, repaired, then INS #2, repaired, Then INS#3, and etc... But, who knows if it's still like that, it's been a few years. The new VP of MX is a real stand up guy, I flew all over the place with him, and knowing him he wouldn't have put up with any BS practices after he took over after the CH. 11.

> What do you mean by "scamed in Florida""?

I don't want to get sued for slander, so let's say it was a Aerial Messages outfit in Daytona that apparently didn't even have a plane to teach in when I was there... they promised jobs galore to low timers who wanted to banner tow and I walked away with nothing but a bad taste and a missing $1000. So, to anyone reading this, first research ANY flying outfit on the BBB website before giving them your money.

It was a good life lesson... actually pretty cheap in the long run.

> Also, loved the airport cafe at the south east corner. Is it still there?

Yep, the Spitfire... the prices are too high, and I've eaten there about 836,000 times which could be the reason why I am sick of it....

-Rich
 
Welcome Rich!!! Sounds like you've had quite a trek....

I hope there's room for a JCForums "newb" at the Networking event at the end of this month.
NJC is all about "newb"s meeting some of the JC regulars and putting faces to names, so there's always room for more! just make sure you register by Oct 20th as we have to keep count of folks coming so we have enough food/beer...:)
 
Welcome to the site. I'm over in Burbank in training right now. I think we're gonna have a socal get together here sometime in the next month or two (once I get done with training and know my schedule better I'll try to put it all together), you should come check it out.

With that much time, you have any thoughts about flying freight?
 
Welcome, welcome. That's the best intro ever.

Sounds like your deal with Southern was pretty sweet! Good luck with your job search.
 
Welcome, welcome. That's the best intro ever.
Sounds like your deal with Southern was pretty sweet! Good luck with your job search.

Thanks FF... It was a great job and I have fantastic memories from it traveling all over the globe. There were good days and bad ones - but every gig has that. I have to admit that I am still a little bitter from being furloughed out of seniority.

With that much time, you have any thoughts about flying freight?

Of course, but I was hoping - and I hope that this doesn't sound snobbish - to jump into a job at a regional and skip the whole pt. 135 Freight gig.

My biggest reason is that I have a client who is taking delivery on a Mustang in 1.5 years and he wants me to be his "flight department" for his company. The only way to qualify to fly the jet - for insurance purposes - is to get that turbine time.

Not necessarly the best career move, although the money will actually be liveable, but a interesting career option. (200 hrs a year in the Jet, 200 more in his SE piston, sitting on retainer with a pager) Not necessarly the best way to keep up the skills...

I'm hoping that after a couple of years at a regional i'll have a better picture of my options for the future, and I'll be able to make a better informed decision of wether it's a good idea to go to corporate route or to stick on the path to the airlines. (as my dream is to go back to the 121 Freight world or overseas and fly for CX... they were the first people I worked with in aviation when I was working in the warehouse, I loved their flight operation)

Plus, when working for the airlines you can't forget the awesome uniforms... I miss the black zipper tie and my epiulets.

I've always wanted to sleep in an RJ too.... figure it can't be worse than sleeping in a 74.

NJC is all about "newb"s meeting some of the JC regulars and putting faces to names, so there's always room for more! just make sure you register by Oct 20th as we have to keep count of folks coming so we have enough food/beer...:)

I shall... I just have to work out my living arrangements for Fri. and Sat. night and i'll hopefully register in the next couple of days. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone.
 
If you went to Amflight at 1200 total/50 multi, you could be logging PIC turbine in six months to a year. The insurance company has to like that compared to right seat RJ time.
 
If you went to Amflight at 1200 total/50 multi, you could be logging PIC turbine in six months to a year. The insurance company has to like that compared to right seat RJ time.

Good point... thanks. Although I have heard some questionable things about Ameriflight through local pilots and a local FAA rep.

And, as much as I hate to admit it, I have a case of Airline Fever...
 
Good point... thanks. Although I have heard some questionable things about Ameriflight through local pilots and a local FAA rep

And, as much as I hate to admit it, I have a case of Airline Fever...

LOL! Yeah, we're a dangerous bunch alright.

I'd be interested to hear what you heard from a bunch of weekend warriors and an FAA "rep" (what exactly is that? a DE? an ASC? an inspector?).

"Questionable" companies don't have 170+ airplanes and 39 years in business.
 
I'm kind of an Amflight fan, too. They tend to have a fatal every couple of years, though. It's demanding flying. NOTHING will make a better pilot out of you.
 
Good point... thanks. Although I have heard some questionable things about Ameriflight through local pilots and a local FAA rep.

And, as much as I hate to admit it, I have a case of Airline Fever...

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on that one, glad that Marshall set you straight. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about freight, espically at reputable company's like Ameriflight and Airnet.
 
"as my dream is to go back to the 121 Freight world or overseas and fly for CX..."

CX is Cathay Pacific, right? I hope to work international myself. Maybe get in as a second officer somewhere international as soon as possible. From what I understand alot of heavy metal ops especially in Asia are hiring at regional levels for SO. US$50k versus $20k regional is a compelling argument.
 
CX is Cathay Pacific, right? I hope to work international myself. Maybe get in as a second officer somewhere international as soon as possible. From what I understand alot of heavy metal ops especially in Asia are hiring at regional levels for SO. US$50k versus $20k regional is a compelling argument.

That is true... although it's not just about the money for me. (...and it shouldn't be about the money, although everyone loves money...)

I think that Cathay is a great carrier - they treat their crewmembers with respect, the lifestyle is great, it's a great bunch pf people to work with, and they are most likely going to grow for the next 10-20 years. I've worked for them before and I like the way that they do business. Choosing to go the overseas route is a very hard decision - basically you will be giving up everything that you find comfortable and normal for your career. (and there is a possibility that you will be dragging your family along for the ride also - changing their lives forever) It can break someone as easily as it can help you skip a step or two along the path to success. (divorce, hating the climate - ie. the smog in HKG - which is NOTHING like american smog these days... more like LA in the late 70's times 10, culture-shock, having no friends in the new location, and etc.)

My random .02, anyway... I've thought long and hard, and lived for a brief time in HKG already in a previous job, so I am ready with eyes open to make the move overseas.
 
That is true... although it's not just about the money for me. (...and it shouldn't be about the money, although everyone loves money...)

I think that Cathay is a great carrier - they treat their crewmembers with respect, the lifestyle is great, it's a great bunch pf people to work with, and they are most likely going to grow for the next 10-20 years. I've worked for them before and I like the way that they do business. Choosing to go the overseas route is a very hard decision - basically you will be giving up everything that you find comfortable and normal for your career. (and there is a possibility that you will be dragging your family along for the ride also - changing their lives forever) It can break someone as easily as it can help you skip a step or two along the path to success. (divorce, hating the climate - ie. the smog in HKG - which is NOTHING like american smog these days... more like LA in the late 70's times 10, culture-shock, having no friends in the new location, and etc.)

My random .02, anyway... I've thought long and hard, and lived for a brief time in HKG already in a previous job, so I am ready with eyes open to make the move overseas.

Yeah, same thing for me. When I decided aviation was going to be my career, I decided it was about the flying more than the money. But like you said, everyone likes the money.
I've never been to HKG, but my buddy's been living over there for a few months (just moved), he seems to have a pretty high opinion of it. I'm ready to try something new after I get done with my education.
 
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