ATP Training Center Manager

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CRJDriver

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Certified Flight Instructors:
ATP is always seeking CFIs with multi-engine and instrument ratings. Our nationwide system of multi-engine flying makes ATP CFI jobs among the best in the country. Graduates from ATP’s Airline Career Pilot Program and CFI Program receive preferential consideration, but we invite any qualified CFI to email us a resume.

Please email your resume to: jobs@allatps.com.

Atlanta Flight Training Center Manager
ATP is seeking a highly motivated and entrepreneurial individual to manage ATP's Atlanta Flight Training Center.
Qualifications

* 2-Year CFI with Single-Engine, Multi-Engine & Instrument Ratings
* Customer Service Experience

Responsibilities

* Training Private Pilot Students with the assistance of other instructors.
* Ensuring that instructors and students follow ATP standard operating procedures.
* Providing a high level of customer service to all ATP customers.
* Growing the Atlanta Flight Training Center by focusing on local demand.
* Meeting prospective students and providing tours of the training center.
* Representing ATP at local events.
* Acting as a facility manager responsible for the maintenance and appearance of classroom and administrative offices.

Pay & Benefits

* $30,000 base salary + commission
(base + commission approximately $35,000 annually)
* Insurance
o Health PPO (Humana - 60% employer paid)
o Life $15,000 (100% employer paid, extra available at employee’s expense)
o Dental (Reliance - rsli.com - 100% employee paid)
o Vision (Vision Service Plan - vsp.com - 100% employee paid)
* Paid vacation / sick / personal time (17 days/year)
* Paid holidays (New Years Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas)
* Voluntary 401(k) deduction
* Direct deposit

Please email your resume to: jobs@allatps.com.

Daytona Beach Flight Training Center Manager
ATP is seeking a highly motivated and entrepreneurial individual to manage ATP's new Daytona Beach Flight Training Center.
Qualifications

* 2-Year CFI with Single-Engine, Multi-Engine & Instrument Ratings
* Customer Service Experience

Responsibilities

* Training Private Pilot Students with the assistance of other instructors.
* Ensuring that instructors and students follow ATP standard operating procedures.
* Providing a high level of customer service to all ATP customers.
* Growing the Daytona Beach Flight Training Center by focusing on local demand.
* Meeting prospective students and providing tours of the training center.
* Representing ATP at local events.
* Acting as a facility manager responsible for the maintenance and appearance of classroom and administrative offices.

Pay & Benefits

* $30,000 base salary + commission
(base + commission approximately $35,000 annually)
* Insurance
o Health PPO (Humana - 60% employer paid)
o Life $15,000 (100% employer paid, extra available at employee’s expense)
o Dental (Reliance - rsli.com - 100% employee paid)
o Vision (Vision Service Plan - vsp.com - 100% employee paid)
* Paid vacation / sick / personal time (17 days/year)
* Paid holidays (New Years Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas)
* Voluntary 401(k) deduction
* Direct deposit

Please email your resume to: jobs@allatps.com.
 
Screw working for ATP. Anyone in their right mind wouldnt want to ever deal with Rich or Shiffman. F&^% both of those guys.
 
You know I was thinking, they should be paying more for this position and they should be giving their instructors this package. I'm sure if they did, many more people would want to work at the school and maybe stick around for awhile.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Why should they be offering their instructors this package?
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I happen to agree with Airdale - I like it when companies "promote from within" vs. filling a job from off the street.

That being said, we don't know if they AREN'T offering current instructors this job. There is probably a small pool of 2 year CFI's at ATP though who aren't already doing this type of job at other locations.

They might just be posting this to get access to as many qualified people as they can.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Why should they be offering their instructors this package? They've got people lined up at the door to work there.
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Thats the problem, people are lined up to work there. Or so it used to be. Lately they've been advertising for off the street instructors.

I like to fly just as much as the next guy, but the pay at this school and at some Regionals is beyond obsurd. Pilots need to wake the hell up and demand a better wage. I understand starting positions pay much less then the advanced positions, but cut me a break. This industry is flat out ridiculous with salaries. Right now, ATP's base salary is $1000/month NO taxes, NO benefits. State minimum wages are higher then that for full time employees, not to mention most places outside of this industry provide medical. The instructor pay is less then minimum wage, there are no set hours thus a full schedule quickly turns into a 10 day straight 120 hour work week - no overtime - not paid hourly.

If it sounds like I'm crying in sour milk its because I am. And I think professional pilots as a whole need to get off the shiney jet syndrome and demand respectable wages. And its not just ATP, its a majority of flight schools that do not pay decent wages. I really want to fly airplanes for a living, but if I can't start making a livable salary soon, then aviation is going to be a hobby for me until I can afford to sacrifice working on basically nothing. And don't get me wrong, ATP is an awesome flight school with excellent training. The company is run by very smart folks, so no doubt if they have instructors overflowing to work here, then by all means they are making out great paying what the pay - can't say I would do it differently. Instructor demand needs to increase in order for pay to increase, and as long as young kids with shiney jet syndrome and fat bank account courtesy of Mom and Dad - we won't see a demand increase. The problem is not ATP, its the industry as a whole.
 
Airdale said:
If it sounds like I'm crying in sour milk its because I am. And I think professional pilots as a whole need to get off the shiney jet syndrome and demand respectable wages.
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Not gonna happen. I used to be bitter, but I eventually got over. Just take a college level business or statistics class and it's pretty simple.
Pilots are supplied in X numbers from pilot factory, are willing to work at X price. Demand is met, equilibrium is maintained, business goes on.
 
I'd be an instructor there if they let me have Long Beach or Riverside, no days more than 10 hours long, and I got 10 days off per month. Oh yeah, and I didn't have to spend more than two or three days in Jacksonville.

I think they prefer to have people who will go anywhere and will do anything to fly though.
 
Airdale said:
but the pay at this school and at some Regionals is beyond obsurd. Pilots need to wake the hell up and demand a better wage.
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You've had your epiphany. I had mine heading out to a VOR around 1200 TT. People have it at different times, some never have it at all. I realized that our profession - flying - is just a JOB to pay bills. If it can't do that, and can't offer you some sort of security or stability, then it becomes a hobby. That's why I didn't accept interviews at particular carriers, etc. It's why I had a freight gig lined up provided my top few regionals fell thru.

The problem is, to be competitive for those better paying jobs, you've gotta have the qualifications. It's no different then the rest of the world. It takes 90 days to go from private pilot level to commercial pilot and flight instructor - why would those entry level jobs pay at all?

Everyone points at how much doctor or lawyer pay is. How many YEARS did they go to school? How much $$ did they spend doing it?

If it sounds like I'm crying in sour milk its because I am. And I think professional pilots as a whole need to get off the shiney jet syndrome and demand respectable wages.
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I think it's funny this SJS stuff got started. For me, and everyone else I know at a regional, it had nothing to do if they flew cool jets or not. I think the majority of people at the regional level are in it for the (a)schedule (b)flexability (c)pay [after first year :)] (d)no strings attached type job and (e)time off. If I found a carrier that flew props and you made 2x what I make here, guess where I and everyone else at my company would be applying?

. I really want to fly airplanes for a living, but if I can't start making a livable salary soon, then aviation is going to be a hobby for me until I can afford to sacrifice working on basically nothing.
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And the cycle begins again. You quit; some other newly minted CFI/MEI moves into your position, etc. etc. Which is why nothing will change.

Instructor demand needs to increase in order for pay to increase, and as long as young kids with shiney jet syndrome and fat bank account courtesy of Mom and Dad - we won't see a demand increase. The problem is not ATP, its the industry as a whole.
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Maybe ATP instructors should unionize? ERAU has an instructor union.

Also, you place blame on kids with SJS and fat bank accounts. I assume you have neither yet you still work for ATP.

I'm not trying to turn this around, but it would be like me going on a rant about how ridiculous and low my pay is at a regional. Kinda hypocritical, isn't it?
 
I can think of at least two plausible alternatives for pilots who want an improvement on QOL:

1) Find a way to be the boss
2) Do the job that nobody else wants to do

Of course, it's much easier to rant about things that cannot be changed in the near-term.
 
wheelsup said:
I'm not trying to turn this around, but it would be like me going on a rant about how ridiculous and low my pay is at a regional. Kinda hypocritical, isn't it?
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No you're absolutely correct. In my situation I've payed for everything I own and have done, including my flight training. I have a $540 monthly flight training loan payment, but I'm pursuing a lifelong goal just as well to seek a career as a professional pilot. The choice was make very little money and fly C-152/172's or make little money and fly Seminoles. Not a hard choice to make. I'm doing what I'm doing because there is no other alternative short of making this a hobby. I can't afford to buy a job, and I'm not in this to fly a shiney jet. We do what we have to do if you we really want it. I really want to fly professionally, we complain because we care about the industry and want the best for ourselves.

Its a trickling effect any way you look at it. Top Airline salaries go down, this pushes Regional salaries down which in turn pushes instructor salaries down. Like they say, sh*t rolls downhill. Days where major Airline pilots made $300k plus are gone, thus the desire to get to that point decreases as well. As long as Regionals can get away with paying such low salaries, then flight schools will follow suit. Like the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil, if the pilots make enough noise, something might change.

Its frustrating for someone coming up in the industry to spend so much money on training to get such a small return.
 
Airdale said:
The choice was make very little money and fly C-152/172's or make little money and fly Seminoles. Not a hard choice to make. I'm doing what I'm doing because there is no other alternative short of making this a hobby. I can't afford to buy a job, and I'm not in this to fly a shiney jet. We do what we have to do if you we really want it. I really want to fly professionally,
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If you're serious you'll find a way. If moving isn't an option (and as I understand it, it isn't for you) find another way to supplment your income while you are building time.

We've all been there. Generally, unless you network like crazy and are at the right place at the right time, entry level jobs (and by entry level I'm talking <2000 TT and no turbine requirement) will always pay low, (sub $30k is low IMO, depending on locale, $30k in the midwest doesn't equal $30k in Socal). Heck just look at some of the sub-tier 135 jobs that, for example, offer "look back" days off starting FO's in the 604 @ $20k, even less for props. Yes I was actually offered that job. It didn't take much to say no :).
 
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