Comair Crash today (fatal)

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"The pilots tried to lift off, but the plane clipped trees, then quickly crashed in a field and burst into flames, killing everyone aboard but a critically injured co-pilot who was pulled from the cracked cockpit.

Although Blue Grass Airport’s Runway 22 is 7,000 feet, the plane departed from the 3,500-foot general aviation Runway 26. The twin-engine CRJ-100 would have needed 5,000 feet to fully get off the ground, aviation experts said."

Sounds similar to my analysis earlier that was considered from a person who "lacks intelligence" i believed i was described as
 
Speculation. If the source isn't the NTSB, it's pure speculation.

If you're going to become a professional pilot, you're going to have to be patient and wait for the NTSB.
 
buffalopilot said:
"The pilots tried to lift off, but the plane clipped trees, then quickly crashed in a field and burst into flames, killing everyone aboard but a critically injured co-pilot who was pulled from the cracked cockpit.

Although Blue Grass Airport’s Runway 22 is 7,000 feet, the plane departed from the 3,500-foot general aviation Runway 26. The twin-engine CRJ-100 would have needed 5,000 feet to fully get off the ground, aviation experts said."

Sounds similar to my analysis earlier that was considered from a person who "lacks intelligence" i believed i was described as
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again.. listening to the media can be bad for you. no analysis was completed yet to say what the altitude of the plane was during takeoff before it *might have* hit the trees..we don't even know what the height of the trees were - yet... you can't just assume "yes, it DID do that" unless there were eyewitnesses and i think right now, there are none. you can't just assume and go with media on "burst into flames on impact", we don't know that either....we don't know yet what was said between the crew and tower....until they do the analysis of the CVR and FDR, it's still ALL speculation.

never assume...it makes an ASS out of U and ME!
 
buffalopilot said:
"The pilots tried to lift off, but the plane clipped trees, then quickly crashed in a field and burst into flames, killing everyone aboard but a critically injured co-pilot who was pulled from the cracked cockpit.

Although Blue Grass Airport’s Runway 22 is 7,000 feet, the plane departed from the 3,500-foot general aviation Runway 26. The twin-engine CRJ-100 would have needed 5,000 feet to fully get off the ground, aviation experts said."

Sounds similar to my analysis earlier that was considered from a person who "lacks intelligence" i believed i was described as
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Key bolded words......Your analysis was made prior to any NTSB release of information......

As for the "lacks intelligence"....if you make these statements prior to any 'official' information. Well........
 
buffalopilot said:
An NTSB spokesperson made the statement re the wrong runway. And I believe they listened to tapes already
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Listen, don't be in such a rush for judgement. These things sometimes take years for the full analysis to be concluded.

There are those of us on this board who fly the RJ everyday. Yet you do not see us making speculation. We might have our own personal thoughts and ideas, but again let us leave this to the pros.

btw, that NTSB spokesman is retired (albeit a great deal of experience) and not officially on the case. I read the report too...

"But former NTSB Vice Chairman Bob Francis..."

Be patient and learn.
 
bike21 said:
Listen, don't be in such a rush for judgement. These things sometimes take years for the full analysis to be concluded.

There are those of us on this board who fly the RJ everyday. Yet you do not see us making speculation. We might have our own personal thoughts and ideas, but again let us leave this to the pros.

btw, that NTSB spokesman is retired (albeit a great deal of experience) and not officially on the case. I read the report too...

"But former NTSB Vice Chairman Bob Francis..."

Be patient and learn.
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And can we trust this person:

The Delta Air Lines commuter flight to Atlanta, Georgia, had been cleared to take off from the 7,000-foot Runway 22 at Lexington's Blue Grass Airport, said Debbie Hersman, a member of the National Transportation Safety Board heading the probe. (Watch the NTSB describe the evidence found -- 1:27)

Based on the cockpit voice recorder and control tower tapes, "there were planning discussions, both by the air traffic controllers and the crew, conversations with each other, about using Runway 22 for departure," Hersman told CNN on Monday.

But instead, Hersman said, the plane used Runway 26, which is about half as long as Runway 22. (Map of airport layout)
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Is that good enough for you?:whatever:
 
For me or for him? Not sure what you are getting at JEP, I thought I made it clear the former chairman was well versed and should be respected.

I was merely trying to back your argument.
 
At this point the most we can speculate is that this crash was not the result of any one single mistake instead of a series of errors.

Also, I think PKR may have been a little misunderstood.

When I heard that the sole survivor was a crew member, and a pilot no doubt, I thought to myself “he is going to have a rough time if he pulls through – I’m sure he will blame himself even if he did not do anything wrong”. It’s the whole “Why of everyone on board did I have to survive?” scenario. It’s going to be a long physical and mental road to recovery for him and his family. I truly hope he makes it!
 
It's all speculation and opinons till the official NTSB report comes out. Does anyone know what the crew rest rule is for CMR? So did they in fact get in that same morning just after midnight? I'd be really leery about a 0630 showtime if it were me. From the crew pairing it seems as if the CA was possibly reserve, being that the FO and FA were JKF based, and the CA being from CVG. I know they try to keep pairings domicile specicific.
 
Buffalopilot, word of advice. Check the attitude or you're gonna be disappointed with the results of that upcoming interview......
 
I dont have an attitude. I think some things are just obvious, like the fact they used the wrong runway. We know WHAT happened yesterday but the question is WHY it happened. I dont have an answer for that. We have to wait and see. I just thought that what happened was pretty obvious.
 
buffalopilot said:
I dont have an attitude. I think some things are just obvious, like the fact they used the wrong runway. We know WHAT happened yesterday but the question is WHY it happened. I dont have an answer for that. We have to wait and see. I just thought that what happened was pretty obvious.
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Hindsight is always 20/20. Yes your thoughts have turned out to be right, but you were making these statements prior to any offical information from the NTSB.


Shouldn't you be studying for an interview?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Speculation. If the source isn't the NTSB, it's pure speculation.

If you're going to become a professional pilot, you're going to have to be patient and wait for the NTSB.
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Yes the NTSB is the first infallible government agency in the history of man. Even ALPA doesn't challenge NTSB findings. Oh wait, they do.

Never mind.
 
flyover said:
Yes the NTSB is the first infallible government agency in the history of man. Even ALPA doesn't challenge NTSB findings. Oh wait, they do.

Never mind.
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Well before you get too proud of yourself. Unless you were sitting at the end of rwy 22 yesterday morning, I will believe what the NTSB has to say initially until all the facts are out.
 
No, NTSB isn't infallible. Yes, sometimes they make mistakes. However, they are still the ones investigating the crash. So despite the fact that they are not infallible, since noone else is performing this type of investigation, you still have to wait until they say something before you can either 1) Agree with it or 2) Sa: 'wait, this doesn't make sense.'
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
No, NTSB isn't infallible........you still have to wait until they say something before you can either 1) Agree with it or 2) Sa: 'wait, this doesn't make sense.'
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What you don't have to do is wait for the NTSB to say something before you develop your own opinions or make comments. Or believe that what the NTSB proclaims is some kind of sacrosanct gospel.
 
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