Nationwide ground stop

JordanD said:
Just know that this is all the pilot group’s fault.
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Is it true that when CPDLC was being instituted. that the ARTCCs were able to adopt it on their own timeframe; that it wasn’t a universal standup across all ARTCCs?
 
bike21 said:
Figured I'd see how our supposed new ultra resilience recovery from the recovery IROPs is going. Short answer? Not great.

I'm supposed to head to sim for bounces later today and once again scheduling has no idea where people/airplanes are or what they are doing. My deadhead later is missing an FO who was apparently reassigned an earlier flight today, but isn't seemingly operating that one either. Another flight currently has no bird, but it still showing on time.

Sooo got that going for us.

And look, I understand it's a very big deal but every time we have one of these events whether self caused or not it's a circus. But don't worry, we'll get it right next time.
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Finished IQ this morning. My planned ride home cancelled and I got auto rebooked for a flight at 9pm. Super fun when your 44x was at 5am and you get kicked out of the hotel at 11am. Thankfully I ran into a friend and we went for brunch and I also managed to snag a seat earlier by watching it like a hawk.

No real help from anyone at the company of course, just making it all up as I go along.
 
Karnage said:
Finished IQ this morning. My planned ride home cancelled and I got auto rebooked for a flight at 9pm. Super fun when your 44x was at 5am and you get kicked out of the hotel at 11am. Thankfully I ran into a friend and we went for brunch and I also managed to snag a seat earlier by watching it like a hawk.

No real help from anyone at the company of course, just making it all up as I go along.
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I actually just got a call from training and they were being proactive which was surprising. Gave me a direct contact if I need help later getting to sim.

Which is nice as I actually do want knock this out as I'm supposed to fly a trip with a good buddy this week.
 
MikeD said:
Is it true that when CPDLC was being instituted. that the ARTCCs were able to adopt it on their own timeframe; that it wasn’t a universal standup across all ARTCCs?
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Yes, we have gone from new things taking years of staged rollouts facility by facility (honestly too much so) to yoloing equipment, software and reg changes whilst beating down the front line workforce to where even the really great employees show up just not giving a f. It all combines for phenomenal outcomes.
 
cmac88 said:
Yes, we have gone from new things taking years of staged rollouts facility by facility (honestly too much so) to yoloing equipment, software and reg changes whilst beating down the front line workforce to where even the really great employees show up just not giving a f. It all combines for phenomenal outcomes.
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makes it seem like each facility is almost it’s own entity, it’s own fiefdom, if they can determine when they want something new upgraded or instituted.
 
MikeD said:
makes it seem like each facility is almost it’s own entity, it’s own fiefdom, if they can determine when they want something new upgraded or instituted.
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Each facility didn't necessarily pick or choose, they're given implementation dates. With ERAM and CPDLC you started with 2 or 3 test facilities then slowly added from there.
 
MikeD said:
makes it seem like each facility is almost it’s own entity, it’s own fiefdom, if they can determine when they want something new upgraded or instituted.
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National decided when each ARTCC would get the CPDLC classes and upgrades done. Believe it or not we’re still recovering from COVID delays on that program. My ARTCC just got full service CPDLC turned on last week.

We’ve had telecom issues all summer. Our frequencies have gone to crap and one of our underlying TRACONs routinely goes ATC-0 or limited because the automation and landlines between them and us is breaking and they aren’t able to accomplish any coordinating without literally making a phone call, which when you’re working a busy sector is generally not ideal lol.

The NAS is falling apart and has been for a while. The countries decision to just ignore this critical infrastructure is starting to come to roost. I am a heavy advocate for massive delays to reflect the reality of our staffing. Controllers need to stop being heroes and let things play out as they should. Let the F.A.A. answer to congress why I’ve been in the agency over a decade and we have 15 less controllers in my area than when we started. It’s a joke
 
nabbyfan said:
National decided when each ARTCC would get the CPDLC classes and upgrades done. Believe it or not we’re still recovering from COVID delays on that program. My ARTCC just got full service CPDLC turned on last week.

We’ve had telecom issues all summer. Our frequencies have gone to crap and one of our underlying TRACONs routinely goes ATC-0 or limited because the automation and landlines between them and us is breaking and they aren’t able to accomplish any coordinating without literally making a phone call, which when you’re working a busy sector is generally not ideal lol.

The NAS is falling apart and has been for a while. The countries decision to just ignore this critical infrastructure is starting to come to roost. I am a heavy advocate for massive delays to reflect the reality of our staffing. Controllers need to stop being heroes and let things play out as they should. Let the F.A.A. answer to congress why I’ve been in the agency over a decade and we have 15 less controllers in my area than when we started. It’s a joke
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agreed. The NAS infrastructure has seemingly been something that has been kicked down the road for early 50 years or more. No administration or session of Congress in that time, has seemed to want to make it a real priority. We’re starting to get late into the 11th hour before something big collapses, and for a hard-down amount of time.
 
Cut the military and the DHS budgets by 25%. Heck cut DHS entirely and put it back the way it was pre 9-11. Repeal every tax cut that’s been passed since the Clinton days. Invest half of that into infrastructure and the rest into reducing deficit spending. All the unemployed mil/DHS folks can go into infrastructure. I’d vote for anyone of any party who makes any part of that their platform.
 
Roger Roger said:
Cut the military and the DHS budgets by 25%. Heck cut DHS entirely and put it back the way it was pre 9-11. Repeal every tax cut that’s been passed since the Clinton days. Invest half of that into infrastructure and the rest into reducing deficit spending. All the unemployed mil/DHS folks can go into infrastructure. I’d vote for anyone of any party who makes any part of that their platform.
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Rog 4 prez.
 
Oh, and accountability across the government for vendors. The number of corporations making bank on contracts that don’t deliver, and then making more bank on top to fix them, is where the real fraud waste and abuse is. Not some new hire forest service biologists or park rangers or weather forecasters.
 
tomokc said:
The plumber is Markwayne Mullin, the current head of DHS. The only good thing about him being head of DHS is that he had to vacate his US Senate seat.
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I think it's pretty rude to all the ACTUAL plumbers out there. Mullins has probably NEVER unplugged a toilet in his life. His father created a plumbing business to which his son sold to PE after "running/growing" it for years. So, show some respect for people who have ACTUALLY worked as plumbers in their life.
 
HeyEng said:
I think it's pretty rude to all the ACTUAL plumbers out there. Mullins has probably NEVER unplugged a toilet in his life. His father created a plumbing business to which his son sold to PE after "running/growing" it for years. So, show some respect for people who have ACTUALLY worked as plumbers in their life.
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Not a single goon in the current regime has done actual work in their life.
 
I am with @nabbyfan 100%. I didn't make it through training at ZNY. They sent me to a little delta and I certified. If I had not certified, I would have become a pilot, probably flying airliners by 2018. It would have been tough at first but I would be so much better off now.
 
Roger Roger said:
Cut the military and the DHS budgets by 25%. Heck cut DHS entirely and put it back the way it was pre 9-11. Repeal every tax cut that’s been passed since the Clinton days. Invest half of that into infrastructure and the rest into reducing deficit spending. All the unemployed mil/DHS folks can go into infrastructure. I’d vote for anyone of any party who makes any part of that their platform.
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We could cut the military by 1/3 and still be the only global superpower. And we could have universal healthcare (that’s a joke, we’d spend less on healthcare if we did that) and not have massive deficits and runaway inflation.

I’ll take my unpatriotic ramblings to communist Canada or something…
 
pwttogfk said:
We could cut the military by 1/3 and still be the only global superpower. And we could have universal healthcare (that’s a joke, we’d spend less on healthcare if we did that) and not have massive deficits and runaway inflation.

I’ll take my unpatriotic ramblings to communist Canada or something…
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Our origin story is about rebellion and change. There’s nothing unpatriotic about demanding better governance.
 
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