This is Envoy....

Puckgoalie said:
Line 13. Employee will retain and carry Company seniority to his/her new position but other seniority and benefits will be as provided at the new position. Vacation accrued at the time of leaving Envoy Air Inc. will be paid off at the appropriate rate and will not be carried over to the new position.

I like Ike never said anything about assurances going to AA from Envoy, he was speaking about seniority.
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My mistake, I read it at a glance as the full flow through.
 
Bananabusdx said:
He can from PSA so the likelihood of him actually having it in hand is slim. Sounds like he got screwed over and is bitter. But then again, he always has to be right no matter what the situation is.
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So, so bitter....
 

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NotENYDX said:
Keith…. For someone who is at AA you sure do care a weird amount about Envoy. Like a high school graduate that keeps visiting….. move on.
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Dude, it was YOUR question that I was answering that started this stupid back and forth with banana hammock man because I wanted to make sure you were getting accurate information. That's what this forum is for. What a weirdo I am for answering your question....😂
Now you want to look like a bada$$ or something? But, hey! You got the "someone likes me" trophy because I laughed at you're message. You're welcome!
(And if you think you're "doxing" me, using my name, I don't care. Lol)
 
NotENYDX said:
Keith…. For someone who is at AA you sure do care a weird amount about Envoy. Like a high school graduate that keeps visiting….. move on.
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Who did you want an answer from if not from someone who actually works at AA.

Good luck getting any other answers being like that.
Sounds like someone is bitter about not getting on at AA with 5 years of experience. Maybe being a jerk to people who already work at AA isn't the best tactic...

And it's funny you think you're "outting" a guy who uses his own picture as his avatar.
 
🦈💜 said:
I meant the pilot side of the profession—I'm OO, but I see dispatch as my teammate and counterpoint, and I didn't realize you guys were paid and treated so poorly in the industry.

... nor so colorful in the discussions you have with each other. ^_^
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Yeah. I meant it tounge-in-cheek.
 
🦈💜 said:
I meant the pilot side of the profession—I'm OO, but I see dispatch as my teammate and counterpoint, and I didn't realize you guys were paid and treated so poorly in the industry.

... nor so colorful in the discussions you have with each other. ^_^
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Yeah, regional dispatchers are treated as expendable, especially over they last 10-15 years. Once the FAA changed the hiring process for ATC, there were a TON of people who switched to dispatch because their degree no longer meant anything. This supply increase meant that they would have 10 people lining up for every 1 that left. Then, a major would have a class of 20 and 900 people would apply because the major starts at like 30k-40k more than regional top out. You get told to just "pay your dues," but between years 3 and 5, you get rejected 10+ times and see people with less experience make it even though you are fully qualified also. Sometimes it's just a crap shoot. You have to leverage every advantage you get, whether it's knowing someone at a major or being related to someone there. While this happens in every industry, the small about of jobs and the large pay gap leads to the animosity towards the people who had the favor to use. I am glad life got me out of dispatch at the beginning of Covid.
 
bbmikej said:
Yeah, regional dispatchers are treated as expendable, especially over they last 10-15 years. Once the FAA changed the hiring process for ATC, there were a TON of people who switched to dispatch because their degree no longer meant anything. This supply increase meant that they would have 10 people lining up for every 1 that left. Then, a major would have a class of 20 and 900 people would apply because the major starts at like 30k-40k more than regional top out. You get told to just "pay your dues," but between years 3 and 5, you get rejected 10+ times and see people with less experience make it even though you are fully qualified also. Sometimes it's just a crap shoot. You have to leverage every advantage you get, whether it's knowing someone at a major or being related to someone there. While this happens in every industry, the small about of jobs and the large pay gap leads to the animosity towards the people who had the favor to use. I am glad life got me out of dispatch at the beginning of Covid.
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They'd totally treat us like that if they could, for the record—I like to tell my FOs that it's one of many reasons we need a union, though that's no sinecure. ("See how they treat the FAs? They'd treat us like that in a heartbeat if they could get away with it. They have in the past!")

As someone who's stuck as a regional CA, I really feel this too. I don't regret coming to the airlines, but I regret getting stuck here.
 
🦈💜 said:
They'd totally treat us like that if they could, for the record—I like to tell my FOs that it's one of many reasons we need a union, though that's no sinecure. ("See how they treat the FAs? They'd treat us like that in a heartbeat if they could get away with it. They have in the past!")

As someone who's stuck as a regional CA, I really feel this too. I don't regret coming to the airlines, but I regret getting stuck here.
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I did a few years at ExpressJet before being furloughed there. ExpressJet and ASA merged in 2011. It took until 2017 to have a single dispatch contract. In that entire time of "good faith negotiations" I don't think scale was ever increased. According to Google, Republic has over 2000 pilots with the minimum guarantee for a year one FO being about 94k. They have 80 dispatchers with first year pay (according to the spreadsheet in 2024) being 46k and top out being 83k after probably 10-12 years.

What I mean to say is that even with a union, it doesn't mean much because the burden of proof for "in good faith" is so low and the RLA is so in favor of the company that regional dispatchers get the shaft no matter what. The union just provides a bit of lube.
 
bbmikej said:
I did a few years at ExpressJet before being furloughed there. ExpressJet and ASA merged in 2011. It took until 2017 to have a single dispatch contract. In that entire time of "good faith negotiations" I don't think scale was ever increased. According to Google, Republic has over 2000 pilots with the minimum guarantee for a year one FO being about 94k. They have 80 dispatchers with first year pay (according to the spreadsheet in 2024) being 46k and top out being 83k after probably 10-12 years.

What I mean to say is that even with a union, it doesn't mean much because the burden of proof for "in good faith" is so low and the RLA is so in favor of the company that regional dispatchers get the shaft no matter what. The union just provides a bit of lube.
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100% understood.
 
🦈💜 said:
I meant the pilot side of the profession—I'm OO, but I see dispatch as my teammate and counterpoint, and I didn't realize you guys were paid and treated so poorly in the industry.

... nor so colorful in the discussions you have with each other. ^_^
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... Your dispatchers got paid??

/s.
 
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