Trans-Aero Medical E90 King Air crash

MikeD

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14 May. Flight from ROW to SRR, crash in mountains east of SRR. 4 fatal of the pilot, co-pilot, and two flight nurses.

Second fatal crash near SRR of a medical King Air 90 near SRR. August 2007, C90 departing SRR to ABQ impacted terrain east of the airport during night climb. 5 fatal of solo pilot, flight nurse, flight medic, patient and patient mother.

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4 killed in medical plane crash in Capitan Mountains identified

Trans Aero Med-Evac and Generation Jet identified the four people who died in the plane crash in the Capitan Mountains.
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Pilots and I believe airplane were Generation Jets, which is based in Sherman-Denison, TX. It's a couple week on/off rotation to cover the Roswell flying, so I am sure people commute in from all over, but this definitely hits the North Texas community. The guy I know there wasn't involved, but dodging that bullet just means it hit someone else.
 
MikeD said:
14 May. Flight from ROW to SRR, crash in mountains east of SRR. 4 fatal of the pilot, co-pilot, and two flight nurses.

Second fatal crash near SRR of a medical King Air 90 near SRR. August 2007, C90 departing SRR to ABQ impacted terrain east of the airport during night climb. 5 fatal of solo pilot, flight nurse, flight medic, patient and patient mother.

www.kob.com

4 killed in medical plane crash in Capitan Mountains identified

Trans Aero Med-Evac and Generation Jet identified the four people who died in the plane crash in the Capitan Mountains.
www.kob.com www.kob.com
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Horrible.
 
They are our competitor here in the area. I don't know anything about the cause, but I will say that they hire pilots with relatively low time (part 135 mins I think) which is why they fly dual pilot, so they aren't CAMTS accredited.

With that said, all of their pilots that I have met seemed professional and on the ball.
 
I did learn a little bit more. Here is the track: N249CP Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

It is an unusual track going from KROW to KSRR (way too north), but they were doing GPS jamming that night and it's possible they got lost. We'll have to wait for the preliminary though. I did listen to some of the ATC that night and they did ask ATC whether or not GPS was being jammed.
 
What is the purpose of doing GPS jamming? Why wouldn't the pilot ask ATC for vectors, utilize another navigation mode, fly the 6 pack, etc?
 
arkavgal said:
What is the purpose of doing GPS jamming? Why wouldn't the pilot ask ATC for vectors, utilize another navigation mode, fly the 6 pack, etc?
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1) Military, presumably. Lot of installations out that way. 2) I believe they were out of radar contact for vectors. 3) They didn't read page 2547.
 
My stepmoms dad is probably rolling in his grave. He flew B-50s (he flew B-29s during WWII) drunk as a skunk before LORAN had even been invented and never bent an airplane. When I showed him my handheld com/gps/vor contraption he wasn't pissed or impressed, it seemed like he was kind of sad that it took that long to figure it out.
 
Roger Roger said:
WHY DO YOU HATE ARE TRUPS
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I don’t think military helos should be YEETING around busy airports with air carriers without proper equipment either. I guess I’m going to special jail.

But when they jack with the signal, the MMR’s go nuts. I just want to ask the authority, “Look, you’ve already got civilian airliners over the area, if it’s that secret, take it somewhere else”

What’s hilarious is that during the day I carried a Bad Elf (like 15-ish years ago) for my EFB, the US GPS system would occasionally fart but the GLONASS (Russian) system was a-ok.
 
derg said:
Airbuses HAAAAAATE GPS jamming becuse it causes cascading errors and ECAMS.

It appers the military does it with reckless abandon and there needs to be a conversation about it.
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Makes me wonder how the Middle East carriers are making it work. On my last trip to the UAE we were getting all sorts of jamming and spoofing.
 
arkavgal said:
There are radar deserts in contiguous US?
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Obviously depends on the altitude, but yeah, lots. It's been a while for me, but there's a reason procedure turns and the like are charted. Twenty years ago it was not at all uncommon to get "cleared direct OHDEAR, cleared NDB 36 approach, report cancellation of IFR this frequency or (whatever) on the ground". Then you watched the ADF needle spin around every time you keyed up the mic (or a lightning flash occurred). Ah, memories!
 
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arkavgal said:
There are radar deserts in contiguous US?
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Boris Badenov said:
Obviously depends on the altitude, but yeah, lots. It's been a while for me, but there's a reason procedure turns and the like are charted. Twenty years ago it was not at all uncommon to get "cleared direct OHDEAR, cleared NDB 36 approach, report cancellation of IFR this frequency or (whatever) on the ground". Then you watched the ADF needle spin around every time you keyed up the mic (or a lightning flash occurred). Ah, memories!
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Absolutely there are areas low altitude here in the southwest, and likely in other areas of the west. It’s why during checkrides, I give the student who has gone inadverent IMC, a radar contact lost due to altitude when they contact me playing ARTCC, with no option to climb due to icing. Instead they get an IFR clearance to an IAF, often via a fix joining an airway, and clearance for a full as-published approach, whether DME arc or procedure turn. Oh, and all raw data……because GPS was jammed. :)
 
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