F-18 Crash Near Mt. Rainier

derg said:
My guy, you're a friend! :)
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Pilot Fighter said:
When the Marines realize how few F-35’s they will eventually receive they will regret not acquiring F-18E/F’s and EA-18G’s instead.

Marines will never get 280 F-35’s.
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They not only didn't buy the Super Hornet, but they aggressively rebelled against any type of notion that they would, lest they lose their precious Harrier replacement (which almost ruined the entire JSF program for everyone). I remember 10-15 years ago when a VFA-122 IP who happened to be a Marine, was interviewed by one of the big magazines about how he'd compare the Hornet to the SH, and he was of course complimentary to the SH. It was immediately and angrily shut down by the Deputy Commandant Air, who then dictated that no Marine would be allowed to fly any Super Hornet anywhere. I think that lasted about 30 seconds before they realized they had guys on the TOPGUN staff who had to fly them. Anyway, it was just a really bizarre moment, and basically perfectly exemplified the ridiculous mindset the Corps had and has about the airplane. The F-35B is a waste of taxpayer money, and a pork-barrel boondoggle, and fraud waste and abuse. There, I said it. Also, "maneuver warfare" and the entire bureaucracy the Corps has built around it, is a f***king joke and a waste of their money. Come up with a new idea that isn't from the Cold War ya morons.
 
///AMG said:
They not only didn't buy the Super Hornet, but they aggressively rebelled against any type of notion that they would, lest they lose their precious Harrier replacement (which almost ruined the entire JSF program for everyone). I remember 10-15 years ago when a VFA-122 IP who happened to be a Marine, was interviewed by one of the big magazines about how he'd compare the Hornet to the SH, and he was of course complimentary to the SH. It was immediately and angrily shut down by the Deputy Commandant Air, who then dictated that no Marine would be allowed to fly any Super Hornet anywhere. I think that lasted about 30 seconds before they realized they had guys on the TOPGUN staff who had to fly them. Anyway, it was just a really bizarre moment, and basically perfectly exemplified the ridiculous mindset the Corps had and has about the airplane. The F-35B is a waste of taxpayer money, and a pork-barrel boondoggle, and fraud waste and abuse. There, I said it. Also, "maneuver warfare" and the entire bureaucracy the Corps has built around it, is a f***king joke and a waste of their money. Come up with a new idea that isn't from the Cold War ya morons.
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Has anybody done the math to determine ratio of retired (Prowler, Hornet, Harrier) to anticipated F-35’s? 3:2, 2:1?
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Has anybody done the math to determine ratio of retired (Prowler, Hornet, Harrier) to anticipated F-35’s? 3:2, 2:1?
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I'm sure that someone has. They did buy several squadrons worth of F-35C to basically replace their CVN squadrons of Hornets. They have a bunch of them. But they still also have a few Hornets left (one less this week obviously). I'm not sure what the breakdown will be, but I imagine they envision it being on par with their previous Hornet fleet totals. I agree with your assumption that the final total will likely not be what they think it will. But I could certainly be wrong. I don't think in this environment, or political situation, it will be subject to the excessive reductions of orders that the F-22 unfortunately was. But I do think it will be less than planned.
 
///AMG said:
They not only didn't buy the Super Hornet, but they aggressively rebelled against any type of notion that they would, lest they lose their precious Harrier replacement (which almost ruined the entire JSF program for everyone). I remember 10-15 years ago when a VFA-122 IP who happened to be a Marine, was interviewed by one of the big magazines about how he'd compare the Hornet to the SH, and he was of course complimentary to the SH. It was immediately and angrily shut down by the Deputy Commandant Air, who then dictated that no Marine would be allowed to fly any Super Hornet anywhere. I think that lasted about 30 seconds before they realized they had guys on the TOPGUN staff who had to fly them. Anyway, it was just a really bizarre moment, and basically perfectly exemplified the ridiculous mindset the Corps had and has about the airplane. The F-35B is a waste of taxpayer money, and a pork-barrel boondoggle, and fraud waste and abuse. There, I said it. Also, "maneuver warfare" and the entire bureaucracy the Corps has built around it, is a f***king joke and a waste of their money. Come up with a new idea that isn't from the Cold War ya morons.
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It’s like the Marines have a 50 year fetish with V/STOL that just won’t end.

I’ve had many conversations with Harrier guys. Eventually they stop making a case for their combat effectiveness and just say they’re fun to fly.

Replacing Hornets with F-35C’s one for one makes sense but I’m puzzled by the F-35B.

In a prolonged engagement, they probably will be land-based.

140 additional C’s make more sense to me than 280 B’s.

We can’t turn back the clock but Super Hornets and Growlers would have given the Marines a lean punch with more relevancy than their current fleet. Heck, F-35C’s and Growlers would be a nice mix.
 
Soul Brotha' said:
Takes me back to my great grandparents house. Stacked on that old cabinet/table top in the corner. I can smell the lung darts off in the distance.
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My grandparents smoked red More 120s. They were successful folks and there was fancy cigarette containers, fancy lighters and fancy ash trays all over the house. It really shouldn't have surprised my parents when I started smoking but they were pissed. I can recall a few instances from my preteen days that stand out, my dad had smoked Marlboro reds for my entire life and then one night he grabbed the carton off the top of the fridge, turned on the kitchen sink and tore apart all of it with his bare hands and washed it down the drain and never smoked again, cold turkey (luckily our neighbor Dewey was a plumber), the next was getting prepped for a tonsillectomy at around 12 yrs old and the lady asked if I smoked and with my mom sitting next to me I admitted I'd been smoking, neither of them were happy. A while later we were at my grandparents house and I overheard my mom complaining about me smoking to my grandma and she told my mom to just let me smoke rather than me trying to hide it. My mom was not agreeable to that solution. I never stole cigarettes from family back then, a pack of smokes was $1.10 at the cigarette vending machine in Lloyds Brakes and Machine shop and as long as you could get a couple of likeminded friends with a few quarters together and one could act like they were just picking it up for their dad nobody would question it. I ended up smoking cigarettes for the majority of my time on this planet and I did stop a couple of years ago. It's nobody's fault but mine.
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