Dominican Republic Gulfstream crash

As an ex gulfstream pilot I’ll be the first to say it’s not a real gulfstream.

Not hearing a lot of credible news yet. The flight track looks like either a control problem or an issue with hydraulics. Also a report of an engine failure. The G200 is one of the few airplanes that can fuel dump, and pics show they did that.

What really got them was landing off the runway into the grass. Sheered off the gear and the wing and boom.

Seems like they had their hands full, but will be curious to see what the report says.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
As an ex gulfstream pilot I’ll be the first to say it’s not a real gulfstream.

Not hearing a lot of credible news yet. The flight track looks like either a control problem or an issue with hydraulics. Also a report of an engine failure. The G200 is one of the few airplanes that can fuel dump, and pics show they did that.

What really got them was landing off the runway into the grass. Sheered off the gear and the wing and boom.

Seems like they had their hands full, but will be curious to see what the report says.
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Yeh looks like they pulled up when the tarmac approached which caused issues…
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Kinda hard to tell, was the MLG down?
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Another video angle show it appearing down. Whether it was locked or not, is unknown as of yet given reports of some kind of hyd issue, the extent of which is also not yet known.


Am not sure if the crew ended up in the infield after touching down on the runway, or touched down in the infield from the start; and further whether either that occurred, was intended or unintended. Either way, the gear collapse/separation, engine separation from their mountings, and wing impingements by either hard ground contact or something in the infield, possibly the cross taxiway even, that tore open the fuel tanks, all had catastrophic consequences.

Fairly certain there’s a CVR, if so, that should answer a lot of the above.

I have some of my own additional questions from seeing some of the various video posted of the accident.
 
I’ll also add the G200 is a runway hog on the best day. It already comes in hot as it has the same wing from the original IAI Astra jet that was half the size, but if they couldn’t get the slats or flaps out all the way, it’s like a 8k foot runway requirement.

Also seems to have did an approach to one direction, but then landed with roughly a 15k tail wind. A lot of things gone wrong here.
 
The videos I've seen show the airplane at an abnormally high AOA and airspeed at touchdown but I can't tell if they touched down on the runway and the the MLG collapsed and they went into the grass or if they actually landed next to the runway. The 200 isn't a classic Gulfstream. It's not a bad airplane but it has a relatively small wing for an airplane that size with lots of moving parts on the wing to generate lift at lower speeds. It's been a decade since I was elbow deep into the 200s but I do remember it having two accumulators, one for brakes and one for the gear. I also remember it being almost impossible to move the flight controls without hydraulic pressure from some source be it engines, aux pump or a mule. I don't know what happened in this crash but I'm speculating it was a hydraulic problem that progressed into a flight control issue. I spent a bunch of time working on 200s, I went to FlightSafety for MX initial training on it and the aircraft I worked on were very reliable. Hopefully the NTSB gets involved and we get some resolution, it was a US registered aircraft and as far as I know they were all delivered with CVRs and FDRs.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I’ll also add the G200 is a runway hog on the best day. It already comes in hot as it has the same wing from the original IAI Astra jet that was half the size, but if they couldn’t get the slats or flaps out all the way, it’s like a 8k foot runway requirement.

Also seems to have did an approach to one direction, but then landed with roughly a 15k tail wind. A lot of things gone wrong here.
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The wing is bigger than an Astra, they added an inboard plug. That's where they installed the Krueger flaps. The 200 and the 727 are the only planes I've ever been around that have them. The 280 is a whole different animal, Gulfstream basically scaled the 550 wing and tail and installed them on basically the same fuselage.
 
I also seem to remember that if the Krueger flaps fail the slats won't deploy but the flaps will or maybe the slats deploy but the flaps don't, the slats and flaps are electrical and the Kruegers are hydraulic. I might have that sequence mixed up.
 
Retired loser who went on a podcast and complained about being “fired by Congress.”


Weird.

How did he become a 777 Captain?



Oh that’s right. When people above him RETIRED at age 60 for half his career. And then age 65 since Dec 2007.

Bet you dollars for donuts he didn’t complain about Congress firings of his Captains while he was FO. Nor while he counted down the days to 777 Capt, the highest paying equipment at AA.



Hypocrite. (Him, not you)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Retired loser who went on a podcast and complained about being “fired by Congress.”


Weird.

How did he become a 777 Captain?



Oh that’s right. When people above him RETIRED at age 60 for half his career. And then age 65 since Dec 2007.

Bet you dollars for donuts he didn’t complain about Congress firings of his Captains while he was FO. Nor while he counted down the days to 777 Capt, the highest paying equipment at AA.



Hypocrite. (Him, not you)
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He’s gained quite a following. I’ve had people who aren’t even into flying ask me about his videos. I never watched them and vowed not to after he decided to do a piece on 2976 before they even had the fire out. Kinda wish they’d revoke his internet access :rolleyes:

Id be curious to know how he was to fly with at AA
 
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