Oh Lufthansa (part ?)

Was the cabin door closed? I can't see it so I guess this was right after arrival? And yes, I admit, I didn't read anything about it, just watched the video.
 
I suppose most 787 operators just told all their rampers to start pinning nose gear until they hear a reason why.
 
SeanD said:
What on earth would cause this to happen? Sheesh Boeing.
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There was reporting about another similar event that involved a maintenance action involving a gear pin causing the gear to retract.

I’m not familiar with the 787 gear, but sounds like some sort of patellar reflex.
 
CFI A&P said:
There was reporting about another similar event that involved a maintenance action involving a gear pin causing the gear to retract.

I’m not familiar with the 787 gear, but sounds like some sort of patellar reflex.
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I saw a photo of an AD(?) that had like a 3 year compliance window about the pinning hole in the NLG. apparently there is a quite similar sized hole that the pin can fit in and it is easily mistaken. not saying that was the cause but certainly would seem like the nose retracted

edit: found it
www.flightradar24.com

UK AAIB issues bulletin to prevent additional nose gear mishaps | Flightradar24 Blog

The UK AAIB issued a special bulletin to warn operators to ensure nose gear locking pins are inserted into the correct hole.
www.flightradar24.com www.flightradar24.com
 
And of course, Douchebag-In-Chief Captain Dip•..I mean Captain Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee has already made a video to tell us all exactly what happened.
 
bp said:
I saw a photo of an AD(?) that had like a 3 year compliance window about the pinning hole in the NLG. apparently there is a quite similar sized hole that the pin can fit in and it is easily mistaken. not saying that was the cause but certainly would seem like the nose retracted

edit: found it
www.flightradar24.com

UK AAIB issues bulletin to prevent additional nose gear mishaps | Flightradar24 Blog

The UK AAIB issued a special bulletin to warn operators to ensure nose gear locking pins are inserted into the correct hole.
www.flightradar24.com www.flightradar24.com
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What modern aircraft need the gear pinned at the gate to prevent retraction?

I get doing it as a response but I see all over the place they are blaming the rampers for pinning the wrong hole. If that is the problem then 787s all over the place would be collapsing.
 
Maurus said:
What modern aircraft need the gear pinned at the gate to prevent retraction?

I get doing it as a response but I see all over the place they are blaming the rampers for pinning the wrong hole. If that is the problem then 787s all over the place would be collapsing.
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I know it's not a modern jet but on a 20/30 series Lear there aren't any gear pins. If you need to access anything in the MLG wheel well you have to use a tool (there's a drawing in the manual that depicts it, you have to make it yourself and yes I have one) to unlock the doors and pull them open. Someone had to be in the cockpit pumping the brakes to relieve the back pressure otherwise the NLG was liable to spontaneously retract. This was a known issue and rather than going rogue we all adhered to this protocol. I appreciate gear pins, except when pilots take off with them still installed but that's a story for a different day. Point is hydraulics might make perfect sense on paper and do unexpected things in the field. In my little world pilots are responsible for installing and removing gear pins, who is responsible for the pins on an airliner?
 
Maurus said:
What modern aircraft need the gear pinned at the gate to prevent retraction?
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Doesn't the Boeing 737MAX Pixel 10 Pro, or whatever it is called, have a tail stand? Gear pins are not a stretch if it is still designed to have a tail stand.
 
CFI A&P said:
Doesn't the Boeing 737MAX Pixel 10 Pro, or whatever it is called, have a tail stand? Gear pins are not a stretch if it is still designed to have a tail stand.
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The 800s and 900s get a stick up their bum on arrival at the gate, but no pins in the nose gear.

Always fun when the ramp forgets and as people deplane it starts to pop a wheelie.
 
knot4u said:
I know it's not a modern jet but on a 20/30 series Lear there aren't any gear pins. If you need to access anything in the MLG wheel well you have to use a tool (there's a drawing in the manual that depicts it, you have to make it yourself and yes I have one) to unlock the doors and pull them open. Someone had to be in the cockpit pumping the brakes to relieve the back pressure otherwise the NLG was liable to spontaneously retract. This was a known issue and rather than going rogue we all adhered to this protocol. I appreciate gear pins, except when pilots take off with them still installed but that's a story for a different day. Point is hydraulics might make perfect sense on paper and do unexpected things in the field. In my little world pilots are responsible for installing and removing gear pins, who is responsible for the pins on an airliner?
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I wonder how many people those Lears had to eat before they came up with that tool.

MX did the gear pins at every airline I worked at. At my current shop there is also an associated write up in the book. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent an errant mistake where the write-up is cleared and the pins were not. Should be caught on a walk around but sometimes it isn't.

When I got on at ExpressJet there was a problem where MX would carry their own pins with no flags to do quick work and would forget them in the gear. They were supposed to use the pins in the flight deck instead. Many crews assumed if all 4 pins were in the flight deck they were good to go.
 
Karnage said:
The 800s and 900s get a stick up their bum on arrival at the gate, but no pins in the nose gear.

Always fun when the ramp forgets and as people deplane it starts to pop a wheelie.
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Has that ever happened? I know the folks in front are supposed to get off first but assuming the mass of humanity behind them isn't butt to belly in the aisle directly behind them seems quaint, that CG is impolitely moving forward when disembarking is taking place. I've seen airplanes take a seat but it never had anything to do with passengers.
 
knot4u said:
Has that ever happened? I know the folks in front are supposed to get off first but assuming the mass of humanity behind them isn't butt to belly in the aisle directly behind them seems quaint, that CG is impolitely moving forward when disembarking is taking place. I've seen airplanes take a seat but it never had anything to do with passengers.
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Tail on the ground, yes, though not to me personally. I have had a few where the nose gear went to full extension with the tires only barely in contact with the ground and one where the nose gear come completely off the ground. That one was when I was a gate agent and the door got caught in the jetway awning and delayed the outbound overnight while the mechanics repaired the door.

It’s usually during the late stages of deplaning and a combination of no or very few pax forward of the exit rows and all the bags or cargo in the aft still loaded. Just in pax alone that can be 14,000lbs plus and if it’s not counter balanced or with the tail stand up comes the nose.
 
Maurus said:
I wonder how many people those Lears had to eat before they came up with that tool.

MX did the gear pins at every airline I worked at. At my current shop there is also an associated write up in the book. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent an errant mistake where the write-up is cleared and the pins were not. Should be caught on a walk around but sometimes it isn't.

When I got on at ExpressJet there was a problem where MX would carry their own pins with no flags to do quick work and would forget them in the gear. They were supposed to use the pins in the flight deck instead. Many crews assumed if all 4 pins were in the flight deck they were good to go.
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The tool is to unlock the gear door uplock, the hydraulic buffoonery is caused by just putting a bunch of pressure on the door to open it. I've opened the doors with a screwdriver but I prefer having the correct tool for the job. Some conniving idiot tried to steal it once. I got it back and never let him borrow so much as a rag afterwards.
In my world gear pins stay with the airplane and are the pilots responsibility. They come in with pins installed and they leave with the same pins installed regardless of what work has taken place. Airline pilots are probably afraid to actually touch the landing gear because they might get their hands dirty so it's just a visual inspection.
 
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