UA169 (VCE-EWR), aircraft or parts of it hit truck on I-95

[mikecweb]

the first officer called out "airspeed slow" on short final. He then warned the captain, "hey you are slow," followed moments later by, "you are still slow and a little low." By the time he looked back outside and realized just how low the aircraft was, it was already about to touch down, and he did not have time to call for a go-around.

a hazard known as "ducking under,"


A lot of intentionality there.

I read the report. The question I have for you remains. If that captain got fired that would raise way more alarm bells than if they stay employed with training.
I know there’s a weird obsession in this country for people to get fired when they screw something up, but thankfully 121 aviation doesn’t follow through, most of the time. With your point on intentionality, a fireable offense would be, hey guys watch me buzz the highway and try to hit that truck. There’s a lot of daylight between that and what happened here.

 

[knot4u]

I read the report. The question I have for you remains. If that captain got fired that would raise way more alarm bells than if they stay employed with training.
I know there’s a weird obsession in this country for people to get fired when they screw something up, but thankfully 121 aviation doesn’t follow through, most of the time. With your point on intentionality, a fireable offense would be, hey guys watch me buzz the highway and try to hit that truck. There’s a lot of daylight between that and what happened here.

If that pilot got fired for not adhering to the company policy laid out in the contract it's that persons fault. This idea that firing people for screwing up is unfair isn't profitable and is laughable. Maybe the union will help them keep their job but why? Who is going to trust that person in the future? Not to mention the fact that it damaged the airlines reputation when the national news is reporting that a United jet hit a bread truck while landing. Someone is going to get fired and it probably isn't anyone in the training department.

 

[Minuteman]

I know there’s a weird obsession in this country for people to get fired when they screw something up, but thankfully 121 aviation doesn’t follow through, most of the time. With your point on intentionality, a fireable offense would be, hey guys watch me buzz the highway and try to hit that truck. There’s a lot of daylight between that and what happened here.

This is what safety professionals (all of us here) call a "just culture."

 

[knot4u]

This is what safety professionals (all of us here) call a "just culture."

Just Culture doesn't dismiss willful actions that deviate from policy. If you're on point and something untoward happens then the policy needs to be looked at, if you step out and buckle crap it's on you. Don't consider my opinion as valid, the insurance company will make it very clear.

 

[mikecweb]

This is what safety professionals (all of us here) call a "just culture."

Not all of us. See the posts above and below yours.

 

[mikecweb]

If that pilot got fired for not adhering to the company policy laid out in the contract it's that persons fault. This idea that firing people for screwing up is unfair isn't profitable and is laughable. Maybe the union will help them keep their job but why? Who is going to trust that person in the future? Not to mention the fact that it damaged the airlines reputation when the national news is reporting that a United jet hit a bread truck while landing. Someone is going to get fired and it probably isn't anyone in the training department.

You are so out of your league with this, please just stick to something else. "Company policy" with regard to how approaches are flown is not in "the contract".