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BobDDuck said:
We had that issue with a checkpilot. They eventually removed him from the program.

On the line side, FOs can no bid a captain in PBS, but reserves can refuse an assignment due to the other crew member (beyond just calling in sick). Captain's can't no bid FOs (because of the order of the PBS runs), but can always tell their CP to either swap out the FO or deal with a last minute sick call.

When I was a pretty new 717 FO, the first month I had a line, I got a call from scheduling telling me they were swapping me to a different (way less desirable) trip and putting that FO on my trip. I asked why but they said that "management" had told them to do so. Turns out that the other FO had been dating two of the three FAs on his trip, without them knowing about each other, and they both refused to fly with him. So instead of recrewing 2 FAs (or 1 FO), they swapped us. Fortunately the captain was cool so it wasn't a totally bad day.
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Sorry, this is where I part with ALPA. Cite the “of good morale character” and fire him. Far easier solution.



Derg is absolutely correct. It’s damn near impossible to be fired from a legacy. You’d have to do moronic level of stupid, most likely on more than one occasion.
 
ERfly said:
AA did that, too. If enough FOs put a Captain on the Bid Avoid/No Fly list, that Captain would be transferred to another base. I'm pretty sure we had one that had involuntarily seen every crew base AA had. It may have been the same one that the FOs started stealing his landing credit without him knowing about it (the joy of archaic ACARS codes).
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I don’t know how you can force a guy into another base and not violate his seniority and the cba.
 
mwflyer said:
I don’t know how you can force a guy into another base and not violate his seniority and the cba.
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You can't. But you can make it very clear that he will likely face training scrutiny and potential discipline for every possible infraction if they don't.
 
Hiboglossi said:
When I was at C5 there was a rumor like that about a captain there. I'm quite sure it's false as he re-based from EWR to IAD right around the time our mainline partner dropped their route from his hometown to EWR but kept serving it from IAD, which suggests he voluntarily rebased for a less difficult commute.
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There was one at aforementioned shop that was downgraded to the right seat, again the rumor was because he couldn't play nice with literally anyone. I believe he soon after got fired for something or just left. Again, no clue if that was the actual reason, but when you have that bad of a reputation it becomes believable.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Sorry, this is where I part with ALPA. Cite the “of good morale character” and fire him. Far easier solution.



Derg is absolutely correct. It’s damn near impossible to be fired from a legacy. You’d have to do moronic level of stupid, most likely on more than one occasion.
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Fire him for what, being a player and having too much rizz?
 
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SeanD said:
Fire him for what, being a player and having too much rizz?
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On company time? Absolutely. Chain of command is PIC, SIC, Lead FA, then FA B, C, D.

He is their superior and puts them in an awkward position at work.


“Being a player” when a guy dates two girls at once. If a woman did the same, she’d be labeled a •. Weird how you excuse a man in a positive term.
 
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