LGA accident

B200 Hawk said:
Btw sounds like one controller working both ground and tower. I hope this puts that practice to bed. Problem is our government is inept AF and won’t do anything to fix the staffing issues. Too busy creating fake wars. Sorry not trying to make this political but wtf. Fix the damn system. This just killed a good mood after an awesome night of college basketball. Can’t enjoy the little things anymore.
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All comes back to the FAA not being a safety organization but for the promotion of air travel. A safety organization would cut arrival slots/gates/Etc to what the staffing can manage and suddenly the money would appear for the staffing. Instead, the airlines say what kind of schedule they want and the FAA just has to make do with it. And if they’ve made it work with baling wire and duct tape for so long, why on earth would we spend money on more staffing?
 
As far as the multiple calls from the controller to stop; his first call was not clear (“Stop, stop, stop, stop Truck 1”) and then he just kept repeating it. (“Stop, stop, stop. Stop Truck 1. Stop. Stop Truck 1, stop.“) I understand he was rattled, but the initial commands to “Stop” could have confused Truck 1 since he had just instructed Frontier 4195 to, “just stop there, please.”
 
Didn’t SFO change some policies after the AC incident almost landing on the taxiway? I know wasn’t the controller fault the lined up with the taxiway for the closed runway but I thought changes were made there after that incident. I know wouldn’t apply to other airports but maybe this could be coming
 
guywhoflies said:
230251Z 06007KT 7SM -RA SCT060 OVC095 09/08 A2973
230351Z 05007KT 4SM -RA BR FEW045 BKN090 OVC110 08/08 A2970

@MikeD The CRJ landed at 0338 so there was somewhere between 4 and 7SM visibility. Most likely closer to 4SM, but still plenty of vis to see the landing lights of a CRJ.
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Makes it even more head scratching. Moving anywhere on an airport movement area in a vehicle, it’s so severely emphasized to double check everything as a driver. Most especially entering or crossing any runway…..active, inactive, or even closed….for not only runway incursion purposes, but even if cleared to enter/cross a runway. Everywhere else on the airport, things are moving at slow speeds, but not on runways; hence the emphasis.
 
In my previous life I was in the express family so this hits home in a big way. But I absolutely don’t understand all these little avgeeks and pilots that post the accident photo on their FB and stories. The aircraft is not even off the taxiway and likely has decesed crew in that photo. That’s someone’s parent or kid. And DO NOT give me this • about “what can we learn” it’s ONE single photo. GTFO here with that •. Like have some • decorum, professionalism and respect. It’s snuff photos at that point. Y’all who post those snuff photos can • all the way off.
 
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Reports seem to indicate two dead, which I'm presuming are the flight crew members on the CRJ.

(I don't see anything graphic in this photo, or obviously I wouldn't have posted it...)
 
mattc206 said:
I absolutely don’t understand all these little avgeeks and pilots that post the accident photo on their FB and stories. The aircraft is not even off the taxiway and likely has decesed crew in that photo. That’s someone’s parent or kid. And DO NOT give me this • about “what can we learn” it’s ONE single photo. GTFO here with that •. Like have some • decorum, professionalism and respect. It’s snuff photos at that point. Y’all who post those snuff photos can • all the way off.
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People are sh*tty and unfortunately the internet has enabled behavior like this by wanting information fast or wanting to be the first to post something. Also doesn’t help that it seems like individuals are desensitized to photos like that.

I was really hoping it was AI for the sake of the flight crew.
 
guywhoflies said:
As far as the multiple calls from the controller to stop; his first call was not clear (“Stop, stop, stop, stop Truck 1”) and then he just kept repeating it. (“Stop, stop, stop. Stop Truck 1. Stop. Stop Truck 1, stop.“) I understand he was rattled, but the initial commands to “Stop” could have confused Truck 1 since he had just instructed Frontier 4195 to, “just stop there, please.”
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That’s entirely possible. Though any urgency voice from a controller, any stop command even if I don’t know if it’s me yet or not, and especially a few seconds later when my callsign is used, should definitely raise the alertness. Assuming the instructions were heard, which i don’t know why they wouldn’t have been. Will have to see comes of that.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Imagine having $200 billion dollars asked from Congress to bomb Iran even more hire more ATC at major airports like LGA and DCA so one guy doesn’t run both tower and ground at the same time even at night.
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Imagine running out of luck last year and having a chance to improve safety yet the powers that be choose to voted in luck’s favor. Safety sounds sexy to talk about until it’s time make a sacrifice or spend money on it. Same thing with the NTSB making recommendations after an accident investigation. Sounds great but how much is it gonna cost.
 
phill1174 said:
Imagine running out of luck last year and having a chance to improve safety yet the powers that be choose to voted in luck’s favor. Safety sounds sexy to talk about until it’s time make a sacrifice or spend money on it. Same thing with the NTSB making recommendations after an accident investigation. Sounds great but how much is it gonna cost.
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It seems the government is willing to spend money on what it wants to spend money on. Bombing Iran. Not aviation safety.
 
ahw01 said:
24mph contact? Looks a lot higher than that. Ugh.
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one thing will be found is whether this was a max braking attempt, or did the RJ crew see the fire truck, either at all or too late to avoid?

In the February 1991 USAir 1493/Skywest 5569 landing collision, dynamics-wise; the Skywest Metro that was on the runway in position and hold downfield blended into the runway lighting and couldn’t be seen by the landing 737 crew, as the metro’s with few lights that shone aft were nothing more than a tail light and a rotating beacon.

In this case, and I’m not sure what the Port Authority Police Dept policy is for emergency vehicle lighting when operating in a movement area or crossing/entering a runway is, I’d be curious what lighting the fire truck had on at the time, to distinguish it from the surrounding runway lighting as it was crossing the runway. Generally speaking, and again I don’t know the PAPD policy for their trucks, airport fire vehicle have two sets of emergency lighting: a flashing or strobe amber light(s) on the roof for non-emergency driving on movement areas of the airport both day or night; and the regular red/blue/white flashing or strobe emergency lighting that is used in emergencies, or on movement areas during non-emergencies depending on policy. Be curious to know what the lead fire truck and the additional trucks moving with him, had illuminated at the time and whether they stood out. Depending on the point of touchdown of the RJ versus where the trucks were crossing the runway, this may or may not make a difference to the outcome, but will be interesting to find out when the crew saw the vehicles, if at all. The CVR will shed light on this.
 
Nothing that happens at an airport at 0338L is ever good. Why no curfew. If the driver survived that’s gonna be some court case.
 
ahw01 said:
Nothing that happens at an airport at 0338L is ever good. Why no curfew. If the driver survived that’s gonna be some court case.
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0338Z = 11:38pm local time. Normal operating hours. Curfews are the exception, not the norm here. I’d rather not have more of them. Assigning blame to the ARFF vehicle driver is wildly inappropriate.

I think you’re out of your depth on this one.
 
“According to unnamed sources via the NY Post, a female flight attendant was ejected through the front of the jet while still in her seat during the crash. She survived and was rushed to the hospital.”
 
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