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So far, it appears our military has done an exemplary job carrying out the orders they were given. To early to tell long term consequences, but I am not upset that the leader who was famous for "death to america" speeches is dead.
 
Kingairer said:
So far, it appears our military has done an exemplary job carrying out the orders they were given. To early to tell long term consequences, but I am not upset that the leader who was famous for "death to america" speeches is dead.
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I’m glad our service members are safe. The are simply following orders (though so did Germany back in the 30s and 40s).

But the trope that is death to America is oversized and under-delivered. It’s just that, a trope. In the 80s and 90s we had US embassies be targeted and blown up. 9/11 in 2001.

We’ve known, relatively speaking, peace among US properties. Death to America? What death? And when did Iran attack inside America?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Right back at you, the average American. :)


That test I took to get naturalized?


“Approximately 64% of Americans would fail the U.S. naturalization civics test, based on a 2018 survey by the Institute for Citizens & Scholars, which found that only 36% of U.S. citizens could pass the 60% passing-score, multiple-choice exam. This indicates a significant gap in civic knowledge, with less than 25% of individuals under age 45 passing.”
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Next time you’ll tell us about "person, woman, man, camera, TV" 😂😂😂😂
 
Kingairer said:
So far, it appears our military has done an exemplary job carrying out the orders they were given. To early to tell long term consequences, but I am not upset that the leader who was famous for "death to america" speeches is dead.
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Don't cheer too loudly, another one, who will be ten times worse will swing to power, in short order.

Then it will be time to be on guard at airports and other high population places. For the possibility of mass casualty terrorist attacks on US soil...

The Trump admin fired the best and the brightest, from high cabinet level positions. Because they were black, gay and women. Now in their place we have reality star sycophants in power, with zero... zero experience. Its going well now, yes.it's literally been less than 24 hrs. But long term, its guaranteed to be a complete • • show.

So save the applause, for your incoming complete • horror. Due to complete, abject incompetence.
 
Kingairer said:
So far, it appears our military has done an exemplary job carrying out the orders they were given. To early to tell long term consequences, but I am not upset that the leader who was famous for "death to america" speeches is dead.
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It’s weird living in world when regimes that share similar ethos are fighting. End of the day, the commoner suffers at the hands of the rich & elite.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Convenient that we just secured a close supply of oil before Iran closes the straight of Hormuz
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I don’t think Iran can handle it. I think decades of rule by totalitarian religious nuts who prioritize loyalty above competence has hollowed out their military and they’re a paper tiger that makes Russia look like an organized, modern army.
 
There’s so much intertwined in this whole thing, that to make a stand on one principle, will likely affect another principle one believes in, no matter where one’s stance on this is.

The Islamic republic has been a disaster area for its people ever since their takeover in ‘79. The shah was better in some ways; but had his own human rights issues, even though pre-‘79
Iran was about as westernized as a Middle East country could get, and was as easy to travel to and from as it was going between Canada and the US. The Islamic leader needed to go, but there better be someone to step up, as unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, a revolution is already in its beginnings there. What becomes of that, will and must be up to the Iranian people to do it right for themselves. We cannot, and should not, do it for them. Horse/water and such.

On one hand, If one dislikes Russia and China, damaging and disrupting the Islamic regime and its operations is a plus. China is dependent on oil from Iran, and Russia gets munitions and home-made attack drones, which they use against the Ukrainian civilians and military in the war Russia started.

On the other hand, if the Iranians manage to place someone worse in power than there was before? I guess that would be their choice. Hopefully most of the point targets are IRGC military sites and their fanatic membership. The regular Iranian military, I’d leave them be for now, see what they do, if anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if some or more of their officers and leadership are either sitting this one out, looking the other way, or have been providing real time HUMINT Intel to outside the country.
 
MikeD said:
There’s so much intertwined in this whole thing, that to make a stand on one principle, will likely affect another principle one believes in, no matter where one’s stance on this is.

The Islamic republic has been a disaster area for its people ever since their takeover in ‘79. The shah was better in some ways; but had his own human rights issues, even though pre-‘79
Iran was about as westernized as a Middle East country could get, and was as easy to travel to and from as it was going between Canada and the US. The Islamic leader needed to go, but there better be someone to step up, as unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, a revolution is already in its beginnings there. What becomes of that, will and must be up to the Iranian people to do it right for themselves. We cannot, and should not, do it for them. Horse/water and such.

On one hand, If one dislikes Russia and China, damaging and disrupting the Islamic regime and its operations is a plus. China is dependent on oil from Iran, and Russia gets munitions and home-made attack drones, which they use against the Ukrainian civilians and military in the war Russia started.

On the other hand, if the Iranians manage to place someone worse in power than there was before? I guess that would be their choice. Hopefully most of the point targets are IRGC military sites and their fanatic membership. The regular Iranian military, I’d leave them be for now, see what they do, if anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if some or more of their officers and leadership are either sitting this one out, looking the other way, or have been providing real time HUMINT Intel to outside the country.
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Gee, maybe we should have just let them nationalize their oil back in the 50s. But I’m sure this one will work out fine.
 
This evil of 30+ yrs, state sponsor of terror, axis of evil, etc. could all be toppled by one simple air strike on his compound. Yet he was a bogeyman to fear?
 
I watched the first revolution beginning to materialize in the streets in 1979, being on a visit there about 2 weeks before the revolution happened, seeing the protests and rioting going on in the streets and not really understanding what all was really happening. Then rapidly leaving about one week or less prior to it. Being first generation American, I still have a number of extended family there, aviation involved ones at that. Two cousins near my age in the IRIAF, one cousin as a HEMS pilot there, one younger cousin as an FA, and her husband as an airline pilot. A couple of much younger cousins that are in aviation but I don’t know what they exactly do. Other family who have passed away, or who have run afoul of the Islamic government and are likely no longer alive, or who are simply not in communication with and don’t know their fate. Communications from there isn’t exactly open and easy. So yeah, a lot of personal stake and interest in what is going on there. And, with that, a lot of things that can go right, as well as go wrong, with this in any number of ways. For us, for them, and for others. Not an easy situation to sort out by any means.
 
Roger Roger said:
Gee, maybe we should have just let them nationalize their oil back in the 50s. But I’m sure this one will work out fine.
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Does that matter now? Been two major changes since then. Neither change related to one another in terms of principle, and neither have worked. Hence why we can’t do it for them. Horse, water and all.
 
MikeD said:
I watched the first revolution beginning to materialize in the streets in 1979, being on a visit there about 2 weeks before the revolution happened, seeing the protests and rioting going on in the streets and not really understanding what all was really happening. Then rapidly leaving about one week or less prior to it. Being first generation American, I still have a number of extended family there, aviation involved ones at that. Two cousins near my age in the IRIAF, one cousin as a HEMS pilot there, one younger cousin as an FA, and her husband as an airline pilot. A couple of much younger cousins that are in aviation but I don’t know what they exactly do. Other family who have passed away, or who have run afoul of the Islamic government and are likely no longer alive, or who are simply not in communication with and don’t know their fate. Communications from there isn’t exactly open and easy. So yeah, a lot of personal stake and interest in what is going on there. And, with that, a lot of things that can go right, as well as go wrong, with this in any number of ways. For us, for them, and for others. Not an easy situation to sort out by any means.
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I think most rational folks want what’s best for all citizens of the world and Iran’s leaders and methods are high on my •list to be gone. As I mentioned above, our own regime that shares similar ethos has launched attacks alongside another nationalist govermnment. It’s all very dumb.

I hope your family is safe and Iran can once again become a beacon of thought and advancement, but at the same time I don’t cheer the methods being used to attain that goal.
 
MikeD said:
Does that matter now? Been two major changes since then. Neither change related to one another in terms of principle, and neither have worked. Hence why we can’t do it for them. Horse, water and all.
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It matters because there are abundant lessons to be learned from our previous regime changes there and elsewhere. Namely, that they backfire. But I’m sure this one will be different.
 
bike21 said:
I think most rational folks want what’s best for all citizens of the world and Iran’s leaders and methods are high on my •list to be gone. As I mentioned above, our own regime that shares similar ethos has launched attacks alongside another nationalist govermnment. It’s all very dumb.

I hope your family is safe and Iran can once again become a beacon of thought and advancement, but at the same time I don’t cheer the methods being used to attain that goal.
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I think it's fair to hope for better for the Iranian people and the region and to also not want us to get involved in Iraq 2.0, especially at the behest of a nation who probably could have handled this themselves?
 
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