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As a CFI, I have had the "come to Jesus" talk with several students over the years that maybe flying isn't for them. Even after that talk, I would give them dual forever if they wanted, without ever giving them an endorsement for a checkride, and I made that very clear. None of this is a great or foolproof system, and people slip through the cracks. Some of the best pilots on the planet have died making dumb mistakes. Conversely, many marginal and fringe pilots have been flying that way for 30 years. Is what it is.
 
Inverted said:
As a CFI, I have had the "come to Jesus" talk with several students over the years that maybe flying isn't for them. Even after that talk, I would give them dual forever if they wanted, without ever giving them an endorsement for a checkride, and I made that very clear. None of this is a great or foolproof system, and people slip through the cracks. Some of the best pilots on the planet have died making dumb mistakes. Conversely, many marginal and fringe pilots have been flying that way for 30 years. Is what it is.
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Heck in that case, no one should be making fun of Jerry then, as he somehow avoids death or injury…as do people on the ground unknowingly, not by any grand ability or professionalism on his part, and just stumbles and bumbles through the national airspace system on sheer luck alone.

It’s one thing to be competent and make a dumb mistake that ends you dead. It’s another thing to be a known menace to everything in the air and on the ground, with pure dumb luck keeping you alive. But, that’s our GA system.

I’d love to know who signed him off.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@Inverted you a DPE? Dang son :)

You don’t by chance do rides in SoCal?
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Love to be a DPE in my area, just so I can severely undercut the rest of the DPEs who charge an arm and a leg for their services. There’s one clown here whose existence as a DPE, and personally knowing his flying history, makes me seriously question the qualifications for the program.
 
MikeD said:
Love to be a DPE in my area, just so I can severely undercut the rest of the DPEs who charge an arm and a leg for their services. There’s one clown here whose existence as a DPE, and personally knowing his flying history, makes me seriously question the qualifications for the program.
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Seriously. I could make a killing and still be charging 1/3 or less than what most DPEs here in Arizona charge these days.
 
Inverted said:
Ehh, it is a ton of work, responsibility and liability to be a DPE...
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Don’t confuse the recognition of an economic opportunity with the motivation to get off my backside and actually, you know, work.

The only reason I’m not comatose in my back yard right now is the rain we had last November put my pool behind schedule and now instead of a Valentines opening looks like it will be died green for an opening on St Paddy’s Day!
 
The job of the examiner for a check ride, is not to check the work of the student but to check the work of the authorizing instructor. The certified instructor is the true gate keeper, and the DPE is utilizing the designee to check that work. Sure, the designee could have been a great pilot, well within standards, and unfortunately not been within standards on checkride day, but that is not how we should look at the system.

If you are a CFI, you are saying that you have done due diligence, student at a minimum, meets standards but has knowledge well above to safely operate within the NAS. That’s where the power and responsibility truly lies.
 
spbrian said:
The job of the examiner for a check ride, is not to check the work of the student but to check the work of the authorizing instructor. The certified instructor is the true gate keeper, and the DPE is utilizing the designee to check that work. Sure, the designee could have been a great pilot, well within standards, and unfortunately not been within standards on checkride day, but that is not how we should look at the system.

If you are a CFI, you are saying that you have done due diligence, student at a minimum, meets standards but has knowledge well above to safely operate within the NAS. That’s where the power and responsibility truly lies.
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Spot on.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Tbf DPE’s charge ridiculous amounts now. $1k for a ppl checkout is criminal.
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I charge more than that, and I probably don't charge enough.

I have an office that meets the requirements to conduct a checkride per the FAA, I have legal insurance, and I have CFI insurance, which covers me as a DPE conducting checkrides. On a PPL, I spend about 8 hours of labor on the ride. From the initial paperwork and prequalification we do before we even schedule the ride, to the physical paperwork qualification before the checkride can start. Then you add the ground portion, flight portion, post-flight debrief, and MORE paperwork. I take all forms of payment but prefer cash, and I declare it through my LLC. So 8 hours of work for 600 bucks after taxes is barely worth my time. CFIs can make more than that when it is all said and done. I could go pick up a turn at work and make triple that. My certs are on the line, and I am constantly scrutinized by the FAA to make sure I am doing the right thing. I will happily justify the price I charge. I paid 500 for my PPL checkride in 2002. That is 900 today. Airplanes cost more to rent, CFIs charge more, maintenance costs more, and insurance costs more. You spend 18,000 dollars on a PPL now. I am not sorry, embarrassed, or sad for anyone who has to spend 1200 on a checkride.
 
ahw01 said:
Unsure if DPEs (always) count as pilots. The cash only thing is definitely a racket for some
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If you’re short on cash on one month, toss a few pink slips in there, and you’ll make more when they come back for the recheck.

Like I said, one DPE here in AZ, I personally know his disaster area of an aviation background, that hes apparently managed to keep under the radar. So the fact he was able to become a DPE, sheds some light on the quality of that program, at least for this FSDO. If he exists as one, there’s bound to be others.
 
Inverted said:
I paid 500 for my PPL checkride in 2002. That is 900 today. Airplanes cost more to rent, CFIs charge more, maintenance costs more, and insurance costs more.
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A SkyTec starter for a C172 tripled in the last couple years. SkyTec bought by Hartzell Engine Tech, Hartzell Engine Tech bought by Arcline. Arcline is a PE firm.
 
MikeD said:
If you’re short on cash on one month, toss a few pink slips in there, and you’ll make more when they come back for the recheck.

Like I said, one DPE here in AZ, I personally know his disaster area of an aviation background, that hes apparently managed to keep under the radar. So the fact he was able to become a DPE, sheds some light on the quality of that program, at least for this FSDO. If he exists as one, there’s bound to be others.
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Ive had good and not so good DPEs. All were fair and i deserved my one pink slip. The 709 rides for bad DPEs do concern me. Not heard of one for a while. Is the AZ DPE advisory group still going?
 
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