NASCAR driver and family in plane crash
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ahw01
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So he fell back on his inferior pt 121 skills?ex* airline.
Sounds like he entered Corpie world and was Corpying.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Hey once they leave the safety of the nest we wash our hands of them!
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
The other night I was at a social event and this accident came up. “But I heard he was an airline pilot…” and I found myself explaining it in a relatable way to someone outside the industry. “Do you know what a fishing charter boat out of Destin and an aircraft carrier have in common? They both have captains, but different kinds of captains and they’re not necessarily interchangeable.”
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
In one of my current types you can't even start the engines without the gen switches in the on position. In my other one, you can, and depart with them off with no real specific warning. There would be some system anomalies you would have to associate it with. Although checking the switch position is in two places on the checklist prior to taking off.
BEEF SUPREME
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It's almost like he just completely ignored all of the nearly horrific accidents we had to watch in ground school. There by the grace of god go I and all but I can't imagine screwing things up as badly as I witnessed on the first day of ground school in 2025.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
More like, ruined by the laidback-ness of the new job.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Oh this is everywhere! Delta, United, AA included. Those FOQA videos are brutal.
Difference is, at least legacy 121 have systems in place to sit people down (say in recurrent CQ) and say alright guys, let’s look at this a fellow crew member found themselves in…”
And while I’m sure large ones like NetJets have similar programs in place, I kinda have my doubts for a plane or two privately owned and flown by a group of 6-8 guys or less.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Yes. It is everywhere. But you can't seem to understand that...
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
On a side note, I can’t imagine retiring as a Delta A350 Capn and feeling like, let me go make some money flying a Corpie jet now.
Enjoy your retirement years. Statistically speaking compared to other professions, we don’t have much of them.
I’m sure you can point to where on the corporate jet doll it hurt you, but it’s really not a us vs them situation outside your world. 121’s a completely different world from 91. I wouldn’t hop in an airliner cockpit without a LOT of training. And the system is set up to require that. Bluntly, 91 jets should be the same way. But the FARs aren’t the gatekeepers. Reputable operators have checks and balances through their SMS programs, and insurance companies also add a bit of a layer of common sense, but the FAA’s happy to let you retire from the airlines, spend a couple weeks at FSI, and proceed to blunder around TEB and APF in your new boss’s dispose-a-jet so you can make the next alimony payment.
ahw01
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I've seen ex airline guys washout of training and 172 CFIs sail through. I teach a 10 day groundschool for initial. It's not for everyone.
We just hired a 172 CFI. Lots of screening for aptitude in the interview process and there’s literally years of training ahead before they’re in charge of an airplane. But it’s absolutely possible. They reported training going quite well and I’ve yet to be scared by their flying. It’s also absolutely possible for someone to go from the airlines to corporate. But it takes respect for the difference in operational environment and the ability to learn and adapt.
ahw01
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T/O w/FSII
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6-8? Operations like this usually have *one* pilot.
That’s it. One full time chief. Who’s in charge of the entire operation and uses anyone he can find to fill the right seat for cheap. That’s the standard. Again, you got no clue what you’re talking about and to compare it to only netjets is hilarious. Just sit this one out.
Speaking of a350 retired guys
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You’re not making the case for Corpieland. This makes it even more scary.
DropTank
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Settle down DEI hire...
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
I’ve seen retired 121 make it through training only to quit a month later after interacting with the passengers. “She asked me to make her some coffee.” Damn near stroked out at the idea of being a barista for just a minute.