Expect (FL) x minutes after departure

JordanD said:
I'd venture to say most people aren't picking up voice clearances in a jet with 3 comm radios, an HF, and CPDLC.
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Fly domestic more. Lots of smaller cities don't have CPDLC or PDC clearances available. Really fun watching guppy pilots write out C R A F T on a piece of ACARS paper. Hell, I'll be getting paper fuel slips and hand scribbling clearances at least once a trip for the rest of the month.

True it's not super common, but it's common enough if you're junior enough to get the garden tour of villes and burgs.
 
JordanD said:
A lot of assumptions in here that they're reading my clearance differently based on the airplane. I haven't picked up a clearance in a light airplane in probably a decade, but yeah, I'd venture to say most people aren't picking up voice clearances in a jet with 3 comm radios, an HF, and CPDLC. I'm sure there's plenty of airliners flying around with stuff deferred or flat out not offered. Just seems like a weird thing that was standard for a while until it apparently wasn't, not to mention our clearance review includes the "expect FL (xxx) in 10 minutes" or whatever. Or at least 99% of people brief it that way and look a little confused when a voice clearance doesn't include it.
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Anchorage would like a word with you. The good part is, just guess the squawk code. The rest is always the same. That is, until they switch departure to 126.4, or give you a full route clearance, in 3 parts, because it’s so long. Ask me how I know.
 
Stone Cold said:
Anchorage would like a word with you. The good part is, just guess the squawk code. The rest is always the same. That is, until they switch departure to 126.4, or give you a full route clearance, in 3 parts, because it’s so long. Ask me how I know.
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When I was TUS based at SkyWheezy all our trips started with either DEN or SFO. The clearances were always the same, runway dependent. I wouldn't even bother writing them down save the squawk code. One morning at oh dark thirty doing the first flight of the day I called clearance, when the controller asked if I was ready to copy I just read back the usual clearance and told him all I needed was the squawk. He laughed, told me the squawk then read back what I just told him just to make it official.
 
Stone Cold said:
Anchorage would like a word with you. The good part is, just guess the squawk code. The rest is always the same. That is, until they switch departure to 126.4, or give you a full route clearance, in 3 parts, because it’s so long. Ask me how I know.
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Anchorage 9 as filed climb maintain 4000 departure frequency 118.6….
 
Karnage said:
When I was TUS based at SkyWheezy all our trips started with either DEN or SFO. The clearances were always the same, runway dependent. I wouldn't even bother writing them down save the squawk code. One morning at oh dark thirty doing the first flight of the day I called clearance, when the controller asked if I was ready to copy I just read back the usual clearance and told him all I needed was the squawk. He laughed, told me the squawk then read back what I just told him just to make it official.
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Our clearance is always the local DP, as filed. One of the controllers we’re friendly with just gave us our squawk when we called up, we read back the full clearance as it should be, and he told us “readback correct.” And then a line guy came to tell us to call clearance because tower called the FBO. I guess a manager heard it and decided it wasn’t good enough 🤣
 
pwttogfk said:
Our clearance is always the local DP, as filed. One of the controllers we’re friendly with just gave us our squawk when we called up, we read back the full clearance as it should be, and he told us “readback correct.” And then a line guy came to tell us to call clearance because tower called the FBO. I guess a manager heard it and decided it wasn’t good enough 🤣
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As much as I hated voicing 8 legs a day the “squawk readback only” procedure at LAX always rubbed me as inadequate.
 
Stone Cold said:
What airplane was that on??

:bounce::bounce::bounce:
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JordanD said:
A lot of assumptions in here that they're reading my clearance differently based on the airplane. I haven't picked up a clearance in a light airplane in probably a decade, but yeah, I'd venture to say most people aren't picking up voice clearances in a jet with 3 comm radios, an HF, and CPDLC. I'm sure there's plenty of airliners flying around with stuff deferred or flat out not offered. Just seems like a weird thing that was standard for a while until it apparently wasn't, not to mention our clearance review includes the "expect FL (xxx) in 10 minutes" or whatever. Or at least 99% of people brief it that way and look a little confused when a voice clearance doesn't include it.
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I mean, there are quite a few airports my shop serves with mainline in 3 radio, HF, CPDLC, FANS, ETOPS, peppermint coffee stirrer equipped jets that don't have CPDLC or even PDC. PSP and GEG immediately come to mind. It has certainly been less than a month since I hand copied a clearance. YMMV though
 
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