Cherokee's Delta Rants from "Alaska Hawaiian Merger"

ShortField said:
Meh. In one of the comms it was mentioned that there wouldn’t be any meetings for a while so management could focus on SOC. Also, I think the outstanding sections are all intertwined to a certain degree, and as such can’t be closed out one by one. Each affects the other.
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Not only intertwined, but probably also the most contentious, or at least theoretically so (I have no insight into what is actually happening at that table of course). I'd guess the early progress was them knocking out very low-hanging fruit that nobody disagreed about.....you know, sections like "definitions" or "passes & jumpseat" or "physical standards" or "missing, internment & POW". Literally no controversy or need for growth in any of those areas.
 
derg said:
I'm going to bold this for your understanding: in 2025, 60% of all industry profits were earned by Delta. Why in the world would they match Spirit's fares?
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I think you’re right. I think he just has a kink of getting body slammed by you in these threads. I mean Delta and United body slammed the LCCs when they started to offer these fairs essentially stealing customers and driving the competitors out of business or at the very least pivot their strategies. But who am I to kink shame?
 
derg said:
*sigh*

There's a 'line out of the door' for those seats which is why the price is high. A vast majority of Delta's reservations are done through the application because of brand loyalty. The money is made because people love the product and really don't care what the competition is doing on a domestic city pair. I'd pay 30% more for a non-stop from PHX to ANC on DL, if offered, during cruise season because I know the product, I've got plenty of discretionary income to match the product to my expectations and ehh... I kinda got to say that your first class product is about on-par with Comfort-Plus on Delta and I generally buy tickets First Class or Comfort-Plus. I like meals, cocktails, comfort and early boarding.

Yes, I'm bougie. I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm not financially fortunate after almost 30 years in the airline business for your comfort.


Delta is a premium brand with massive brand loyalty. The people buying the tickets couldn't give less of a poop about what Spirit is charging. You're a capitalist, aren't you?

I'm also a frequent flyer because I enjoy the product and occasionally dabble with Southwest as well because short-haul, their non-stop product in the less than 120 minute category can't be matched. But if the ticket is "too expensive" on Delta, I'm probably not going. That's just the honest truth.

I'm going to bold this for your understanding: in 2025, 60% of all industry profits were earned by Delta. Why in the world would they match Spirit's fares?
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#preach @derg Always use the app…And not being the skinniest on the plane will always use DeltaComfort. Got upgraded to HNL last trip and well it will be hard keeping Julie out of the front of aircraft now…..

plenty of options out of MSP for where we travel to Delta it is. The wife ventured over to Terminal 2 once. she returned home and first thing I heard…. “I should have stuck with Delta…”
 
Is this like "after school detention?"

How'd I get in here? Do I have to be read my JC rights or something?

I feel like a proverbial social media pin ball machine. . .<anyone remember those?> I'm being bounced all over the place.
 
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derg said:
BASIC ECONOMY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SEAT SELECTION.

It literally tells you three different times before it allows you to select that fare.

It’s generally middle seats and less-than-prime locations to enjoy a fare savings. One category up allows for seat selection.

This is an issue with your reading comprehension.

“I ordered a 6 ounce sirloin and why didn’t you deliver me a bone-in ‘tomahawk’ Delmonico?!”
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When did bone-in tomahawk steaks become a thing? I have eaten steak for decades but only the last couple years do I see these massive tomahawk steaks. And to insure against thread drift, why does Delta suck and not include them with steerage fare tickets. Asking for CC.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
No need to be dense :), it’s obviously referring to Basic Economy. Delta does not guarantee family seating. Alaska, JetBlue, Frontier, United, American guarantee it with a BE ticket. I booked last month an AA ticket for January as BE tickets. They’ve already gotten 4 seats assigned in a row.


You don’t need to defend your shop. It’s okay to admit they just don’t for BE tickets while literally everyone else does. Except Spirit.
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Dude… I have a feeling your real life is horribly depressing. Your internet interactions are clearly what gets you up every morning. It was funny for awhile, now it’s just pathetic man. Nobody would behave the way you do or write 90,000 comments on a forum if they had good things happening in their lives…hope it all works out for you
 
Roger Roger said:
Not having done this before, I have no idea what “normal” is, or if there is such a thing as normal, but it sure feels like JCBA progress has stalled. The most recent NC updates show practically every important section (scheduling, pay rates, retirement, etc) still in progress and hints that the company seems to be in a very different ballpark from what the NC wants. Feels very different from when negotiations started and the union was upbeat about the company having decision makers at the table. And of course the company is throwing more fun at us with shuffling bases around in the middle of it.
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I don't think there is a "normal" for a JCBA. Many of us have seen tons of Section 6 negotiations over the years, in different kinds of economic conditions and with different kinds of management teams (and pilot groups), so there is probably a sense of normal for that. There haven't been that many JCBAs in the modern era, and almost every one of them has been very different. USAir and America West never actually got a JCBA done, despite the Company throwing a fair amount of money at them, because of the SLI issue. Southwest/AirTran was pretty quick... because they just threw out the AirTran contract. Delta-Northwest was also very quick because Delta threw a ton of money at them and then they dumped almost all of the Northwest contract. United-Continental dragged on a bit because the two ALPA units couldn't decide which base contract they wanted to use to start negotiating with the Company. Once they sorted that out, it went somewhat quickly. American-USAirways was also pretty quick, as they mostly just kept the American contract in place.

How it feels to you could also be some level of calculation utilizing comms, or it could just be that you were seeing lots of dominos fall, and now there aren't as many falling each month, which could be a slow down or could simply be that the dominos remaining are all connected and much bigger.

ShortField said:
Meh. In one of the comms it was mentioned that there wouldn’t be any meetings for a while so management could focus on SOC.
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This must have been a Company comm. I don't think ALPA linked a lack of meetings to SOC manpower needs. We've been more than happy to meet with the Company if they wanted to.

///AMG said:
Not only intertwined, but probably also the most contentious, or at least theoretically so (I have no insight into what is actually happening at that table of course). I'd guess the early progress was them knocking out very low-hanging fruit that nobody disagreed about.....you know, sections like "definitions" or "passes & jumpseat" or "physical standards" or "missing, internment & POW". Literally no controversy or need for growth in any of those areas.
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Ironically, out of all of those, only one of them was a simple cut and paste. The language in the other three was very different between the two contracts and has taken a lot of back and forth. Also, there are a ton of different definitions needed because a lot of things that should be defined in the Alaska CBA aren't actually defined, and any new concepts from the Hawaiian PWA that make it over will need defining.
 
derg said:
*sigh*

There's a 'line out of the door' for those seats which is why the price is high. A vast majority of Delta's reservations are done through the application because of brand loyalty. The money is made because people love the product and really don't care what the competition is doing on a domestic city pair. I'd pay 30% more for a non-stop from PHX to ANC on DL, if offered, during cruise season because I know the product, I've got plenty of discretionary income to match the product to my expectations and ehh... I kinda got to say that your first class product is about on-par with Comfort-Plus on Delta and I generally buy tickets First Class or Comfort-Plus. I like meals, cocktails, comfort and early boarding.

Yes, I'm bougie. I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm not financially fortunate after almost 30 years in the airline business for your comfort.


Delta is a premium brand with massive brand loyalty. The people buying the tickets couldn't give less of a poop about what Spirit is charging. You're a capitalist, aren't you?

I'm also a frequent flyer because I enjoy the product and occasionally dabble with Southwest as well because short-haul, their non-stop product in the less than 120 minute category can't be matched. But if the ticket is "too expensive" on Delta, I'm probably not going. That's just the honest truth.

I'm going to bold this for your understanding: in 2025, 60% of all industry profits were earned by Delta. Why in the world would they match Spirit's fares?
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Never had a chance to fly Alaska when I flew a lot but didn't they used to get high marks for food and overall service, particularly First Class? Maggie was over yesterday and talking about Midwest Express which was what I'd put us on out of KC when they would come with me on my frequent Miami trips. I loved Midwest Express.
 
jhugz said:
I think you’re right. I think he just has a kink of getting body slammed by you in these threads. I mean Delta and United body slammed the LCCs when they started to offer these fairs essentially stealing customers and driving the competitors out of business or at the very least pivot their strategies. But who am I to kink shame?
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Ha! :)

It was in direct response to an LCC attacking a particular hub and if you look at the particular LCC’s market there, the move was effective. Hell, it’s not even universally available I’ve heard. But it’s only a handful of seats in that fare category and our “serial complainer” clearly can pass a V1 cut, but not a 100-level lesson on fare modeling.

I’ve actually bought one of those fares once and the amount of confirmation about what I was buying was almost as bad as a food truck in Lihue making sure I knew what a “loco moco” was because because Haolis tended to ask for refunds.

“You know, dat two egg, tow scoops rice, hamburger, gravy and two slices spam, you want dat?”

“Yes!”

“NO REFUND! You sure?”

“Yes”

“Ok. Just want to be sure you know what you’re ordering”
 
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Yo! I'm still feeling as if I'm on the short bus or in the "special ed" class.

I'll have you know I CLEP'd ply sci and business class. Too basic.

@Cherokee_Cruiser Bro, you name at the top of this thread. Care to explain big picture what's happening here?

Betcha this list will grow. Hope the hurry and pass this Clarity Act.
 
@BEEF SUPREME I'm having a panic attack here <metaphorically> I've been sent back to the minors. Nevermind "benched." I've been moved to the practice squad with the other tackle "dummies." This doesn't FEEL comfortable to me.

I'm on a thread with CC as the lead in to the thread. Make that make please? I kinda dismissed 90% of his inputs long time ago. Too opinionated and unwavering for me.
 
derg said:
Ha! :)

It was in direct response to an LCC attacking a particular hub and if you look at the particular LCC’s market there, the move was effective. Hell, it’s not even universally available I’ve heard. But it’s only a handful of seats in that fare category and our “serial complainer” clearly can pass a V1 cut, but not a 100-level lesson on fare modeling.

I’ve actually bought one of those fares once and the amount of confirmation about what I was buying was almost as bad as a food truck in Lihue making sure I knew what a “loco moco” was because because Haolis tended to ask for refunds.

“You know, dat two egg, tow scoops rice, hamburger, gravy and two slices spam, you want dat?”

“Yes!”

“NO REFUND! You sure?”

“Yes”

“Ok. Just want to be sure you know what you’re ordering”
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Spam at McDonald’s still makes me chuckle.

Also, where I am from, whenever the local weather forecaster(HA!) kick out his doom of the century event for that particular month, the things that disappear off the shelf faster than you can say hyperbole, are milk and bread. There, when a hurricane is on the horizon, it’s spam and water. Which actually makes sense. I don’t what all those people in the Midwest are doing with their milk sandwiches but, no thanks.
 
This page, literally from a change I made on an itinerary for this month, must REALLY confuse the heck out of him because there are “just seats” on a single class airplane but multiple “products”:

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Wardogg said:
Spam at McDonald’s still makes me chuckle.

Also, where I am from, whenever the local weather forecaster(HA!) kick out his doom of the century event for that particular month, the things that disappear off the shelf faster than you can say hyperbole, are milk and bread. There, when a hurricane is on the horizon, it’s spam and water. Which actually makes sense. I don’t what all those people in the Midwest are doing with their milk sandwiches but, no thanks.
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When I lived in Florida, it was milk, bread and D-cell batteries.

It was the early days of the dot com era and I thought about starting a “Milk, bread, D-cell battery” delivery service over my third Goombay Smash at the Altamonte Mall Bahama Breeze.
 
Wardogg said:
Spam at McDonald’s still makes me chuckle.

Also, where I am from, whenever the local weather forecaster(HA!) kick out his doom of the century event for that particular month, the things that disappear off the shelf faster than you can say hyperbole, are milk and bread. There, when a hurricane is on the horizon, it’s spam and water. Which actually makes sense. I don’t what all those people in the Midwest are doing with their milk sandwiches but, no thanks.
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Interesting. I need to pick up the pace, yes. You're on my ignore list. Let me reflect. My guest from the previous night. . .their hub is of course the ATL, I'll simply see what they have to say. 🤔

Yes, left with a smile on their face while reading JC. It is entertainment.
 
Must be some Chinese AI to input "word salad" in a response.

Copy all. . .Trash can it.

You're absolutely correct however. There is a distinction between talking TO someone versus talking AT someone.
 
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