This industry sucks (rant)

[A300Capt]

Don't know you or your current lifestyle other than what’s been posted on this website...thats my loss. You come across as a very intelligent and articulate person with well thought out reasoning. Unfortunately, your reasoning, in this case, is somewhat flawed. Why? Because you seem to believe if you were suddenly hired by a major then all/most of your QOL issues would be instantly solved and thats simply not true. I hear from friends all the time how abysmal their schedules are and these are folks with decades at their current airline! Can’t imagine what new hires are going through.

I’ve been where you currently are flying 100+ hours/month minus the work and fatigue rules with very little time off. I had one month where I flew 128 hours and we operated under FAR135. It was in a loud turboprop with zero automation or creature comforts a larger jet provides. I did it making $25k/yr as a Capt. Yep, it was 40 yrs ago but still less than what you and most Regional Capt’s are currently making today with cost adjustments. I knew absolutely nobody in aviation and sat quietly (sometimes loudly) complaining as I watched countless pilots at my small commuter airline quickly move up the ladder to the majors with less experience than me. I literally thought I had gone as far as I ever was gonna go in aviation and I was near my breaking point. I had had enough and knew I couldn't do this much longer.

Wasn’t long after that I was sitting on the jumpseat of a USAir DC-9 heading to see my folks and contemplating my life choices and plans that weren’t panning out the way I thought they should. After embarrassingly complaining to the USAir Capt about my woes he finally turned and asked if I wanted some advice? He said he wished he had a dollar for everyone he had met along the way that simply gave up. Lost the drive and passion and left the industry just before the industry turned around. It’s a weird industry as it ebbs and flows throughout the years. He told me not to give up and if it were meant to be it'll happen. He said other things but that was the jist of it. He said to just keep plugging away and quit comparing my road in life to other’s.

I couldn’t even get a major to so much as acknowledge they had even received my resume and cover letter. These were pre-Internet days and I spent hours typing each resume/cover letter out and putting it in an envelope with a stamp. Heaven forbid you made a mistake while you typed cause whiteout wasn’t gonna cut it. Some required money to “process” your resume. Airlines were fewer to choose from and most were inundated with military guys with heavy jet time. I was a 25 yr old civilian GA trained pilot flying a relatively small turboprop with ZERO pure jet time. Yep…it was bleak and I had almost resigned myself to the fact I was just going to be a commuter airline pilot until I retired Things were much different back then (yea, yea..I know…ok Boomer, right?).

I finally received an invite to interview at American Airlines in 1987. I show up and there were 25-30 applicants on day 1. I was the only non-military dude there and looked 15 at 25 yrs old. I felt out of place and defeated before it even started and I was scared to death. While my time (for my age) exceeded the military guys and my instrument skills were as sharp as they would ever be flying 100/hrs a month in the NE, I'm sure the my demeanor and body language told a different story. I didn't make it through the first day before being shown the door. I was literally crushed and set an all time low that was a very dark time for me. Not only did I blow my chance at American but in my mind I thought they would let everyone else know and I’d be •listed by every other airline now. Information was not forth coming or easily attained (again, pre-Internet days) and I had no idea why I failed on day one….just bye-bye!

Just when I thought there was absolutely no more hope I get a call out of the blue from UPS to interview for their new airline. Weird thing is I had just read an article in an AeroSpace magazine at the library about UPS being the launch customer for the B757F and I thought how cool it would be to fly that some day. Other than that I knew nothing about the company. Showing up completely unprepared (there were no prep courses back then or online airline gouges) for a 3 day interview process was daunting to say the least. It was my first time in a full motion sim and first time ever trying to fly any jet, let alone a B727 sim. I guess luck and timing along with the planets aligning and they probably feeling sorry for me finally all came together and without any more boring details, the rest as they say…is history!

I will say that the schedules (nothing but red-eyes), or the lack thereof, no union protection and very low pay (Capt’s on all fleets making $65K/ yr and was told by management that we would NEVER be paid more than $100K/yr) had many of us looking for other jobs within the first year. I had interviews set up at TWA and Braniff. We all know what happened to them and American furloughed soon after. So I guess it was another “Thank God for unanswered prayers…” events.

My point is….don't give up because you just never know when things will change and what you have experience up to this point will make you a better and stronger person that will allow you to help someone else future.


Anyway, like I said….I’m impressed with how well spoken you are and hoping you reach your ultimate goal very soon. Just keep grinding one day at a time….

 

[Hiboglossi]

I really truly never know how to feel about this statement. I hear this, and then in the same breath people will tell me how much better life is at majors than at regionals. Night and day, work rules, qol, etc.

I feel like I'm being gaslit in one direction or another—people talk about "people think I never work," but then turn around and say "But it's about the same at a regional."

I literally trust all of you, so when I hear conflicting things, I'm at a loss. It's like schrödinger's goddamn job.

I came to this industry for QoL. I had it for a while, as an FO, but schedules deteriorated even before I upgraded.

Here's the thing: nobody I work with, or around, or who knows me, thinks I should be happy where I am. I only get that from people who don't see me and the schedule I work. So I wonder if I'm just not doing a good job of communicating what 100+ hours a month (without soft time) on a 3am short-call (2hr) RAP feels like.

The people who say life is much better at the majors are clearly correct. Life is massively better at my current employer than it was at the regionals, and I'm not even at a legacy, but at one of the places people on here tell you it's not worth leaving the regionals for and you should hold out for the "big 5". Plus as you alluded to it seems like the legacy pilots on here are always talking about how little they work.

I think most of the people who say things aren't any better at the majors mean well, but nostalgia has given them a rose-colored view of their time at the regionals. Also based on your description of what life is like at your employer nowadays, it does sound like the schedules and work-life balance at the regionals may have gotten worse since I escaped. Hard to say for sure from the outside, but I get the sense that the regionals may have learned to make do with shoe-string staffing in the early 2020s, when the job market was such that they could never properly staff the left seat, and have kept that up even now that the "pilot shortage" is over.

 

[Roger Roger]

Well it’s kind of both. A lot of the stressors you mentioned don’t go away, they just don’t happen as often. When you’re doing less legs per day, flying further distances, and have better dispatchers you’re just not as exposed to it anymore.

I had my own moment of realization after I started at my legacy. At the regionals you’re always working towards the goal of getting on at a major, and I always assumed once I get hired everything will just be perfect and easy. But once I got on the line it hit me.. it’s the same job and I have 30+ more years of just showing up to work without a goal to work towards. That’s not a complaint, just a different perspective once you’re no longer chasing that goal, and maybe help explain some of the responses you get.

Hope that makes sense without too much rambling.

Nah dude. Unless she’s using hyperbole, and she claims she isn’t, and I have no reason to doubt that, the experience at the bottom of a major isn’t even close. I’ve been in the bottom 10 or so line holders for over a year, even got bumped to reserve in August, with a 2 leg commute, and my QOL has been far better than her grind. If one lived in the junior base it would be fantastic. I didn’t experience the PDX flying club or SFO CA credit 100 hrs a month for flying 20, but on reserve I never had to commute to work on a day off, I almost always was able to pick my trips off reserve and when they got changed on me guess what… more $$$. And of course as a line holder you have so much ability to manipulate your schedule plus more days off. Everyone who wants gets to use all their vacation every year, this month I turned a week of vacation into working the first 6 days and having the rest of the month off. Operationally…. In 1.5 years online I’ve never seen a CA have to deal with a flight attendant issue or fix a release because of an MEL or not enough fuel or whatever. Of course we’ve had all the usual crap, slow ramps, waiting for an air cart with no APU, ground power dropping out with no APU in LAS, flow times, change planes from N to S in SEA, but compared to trying to get fuel and a runway condition report in WRG at 0300 or flying all night then making your own hotel reservations and driving the crew to get your 10 hours in Seattle morning rush hour traffic it’s life on easy street. And I feel guilty even writing all this because it makes no sense that someone with no 121 experience, and comparatively little life experience outside of aviation, who almost locked up on a pretty simple TMAAT question in the interview, got the job and shark didn’t. I kinda get the frustration, at least as much as one can from the outside, and I don’t have an answer or a platitude or advice or anything. It just kinda sucks.

 

[podrick]

Nah dude. Unless she’s using hyperbole, and she claims she isn’t, and I have no reason to doubt that, the experience at the bottom of a major isn’t even close. I’ve been in the bottom 10 or so line holders for over a year, even got bumped to reserve in August, with a 2 leg commute, and my QOL has been far better than her grind. If one lived in the junior base it would be fantastic. I didn’t experience the PDX flying club or SFO CA credit 100 hrs a month for flying 20, but on reserve I never had to commute to work on a day off, I almost always was able to pick my trips off reserve and when they got changed on me guess what… more $$$. And of course as a line holder you have so much ability to manipulate your schedule plus more days off. Everyone who wants gets to use all their vacation every year, this month I turned a week of vacation into working the first 6 days and having the rest of the month off. Operationally…. In 1.5 years online I’ve never seen a CA have to deal with a flight attendant issue or fix a release because of an MEL or not enough fuel or whatever. Of course we’ve had all the usual crap, slow ramps, waiting for an air cart with no APU, ground power dropping out with no APU in LAS, flow times, change planes from N to S in SEA, but compared to trying to get fuel and a runway condition report in WRG at 0300 or flying all night then making your own hotel reservations and driving the crew to get your 10 hours in Seattle morning rush hour traffic it’s life on easy street. And I feel guilty even writing all this because it makes no sense that someone with no 121 experience, and comparatively little life experience outside of aviation, who almost locked up on a pretty simple TMAAT question in the interview, got the job and shark didn’t. I kinda get the frustration, at least as much as one can from the outside, and I don’t have an answer or a platitude or advice or anything. It just kinda sucks.

To be honest I’m not following a lot of what you wrote, and idk what the “Portland flying club” is.

I never said they were the same? In fact I think I laid out how they’re different, did you mean to quote someone else?

Is this weird AS speak, and is this where the thread drifts to AS fights?

 

[Roger Roger]

To be honest I’m not following a lot of what you wrote, and idk what the “Portland flying club” is.

I never said they were the same? In fact I think I laid out how they’re different, did you mean to quote someone else?

Is this weird AS speak, and is this where the thread drifts to AS fights?

Maybe it’s me that misread you, but I took you to say that life at a major isn’t really that different or better than at Skywest, and I was intending to rebut that from my perspective. If that’s not what you were saying, my apologies, though that has come up elsewhere in the thread.

 

[podrick]

Maybe it’s me that misread you, but I took you to say that life at a major isn’t really that different or better than at Skywest, and I was intending to rebut that from my perspective. If that’s not what you were saying, my apologies, though that has come up elsewhere in the thread.

Yea I’m mainly trying to say don’t get sucked into the idea that getting to a major will fix everything and everything will be perfect.

Get hired by a legacy; great here’s your potential cross country commute to short call in EWR or JFK.

Or those early wake ups? Well here’s a junior trip with early wake ups.. in eastern time.

Obviously a little seniority fixes all of that, just saying don’t beat yourself while your down with these expectations.

 

[Roger Roger]

Yea I’m mainly trying to say don’t get sucked into the idea that getting to a major will fix everything and everything will be perfect.

Get hired by a legacy; great here’s your potential cross country commute to short call in EWR or JFK.

Or those early wake ups? Well here’s a junior trip with early wake ups.. in eastern time.

Obviously a little seniority fixes all of that, just saying don’t beat yourself while you’re down with these expectations.

Yeah what I’m trying to say is, even with all that, at least my experience has been that being junior and hired right before 2 years of stagnation, going in knowing I had a 2 leg commute, it’s still way, way better than a regional, at least from what I understand of it.

 

[killbilly]

I really appreciate your advice here, because I think it's a very reasonable take.

But I absolutely despise rich people, so I don't think it'd work out.

This...in the light of all of the very reasonable things you've said...doesn't make sense. You don't know the net worth of any of your current passengers, and whether they're ultra wealthy or not, you're still a professional and doing the job of operating safely. This value judgment that you despise the wealthy and thus won't work for them just doesn't align...and given how miserable you are, it absolutely baffles me that this is the hill you'd choose to die on. It's your life and choices - I get it....I just don't understand this one. Especially when you could have, potentially, a better QoL.

I really truly never know how to feel about this statement. I hear this, and then in the same breath people will tell me how much better life is at majors than at regionals. Night and day, work rules, qol, etc.

I feel like I'm being gaslit in one direction or another—people talk about "people think I never work," but then turn around and say "But it's about the same at a regional."

I literally trust all of you, so when I hear conflicting things, I'm at a loss. It's like schrödinger's goddamn job.

I came to this industry for QoL. I had it for a while, as an FO, but schedules deteriorated even before I upgraded.

Here's the thing: nobody I work with, or around, or who knows me, thinks I should be happy where I am. I only get that from people who don't see me and the schedule I work. So I wonder if I'm just not doing a good job of communicating what 100+ hours a month (without soft time) on a 3am short-call (2hr) RAP feels like.

You and I have been members here for a very long time. We've met in person, we've corresponded directly, so I feel comfortable in the following observation:

Much of the source of your angst stems from fatigue and exhaustion. You've repeatedly said that you get the calls at 3am after being asleep for 2 hours. And you know as well as any of us - without adequate sleep, even the brightest world looks like a hellscape absent of all reason. You cannot serve from an empty vessel, Sasha, and you're trying to do exactly that.

Stop this. At least this one little bit - stop this insanity and get yourself adequately rested. This one thing, I feel, could have a more massive impact on your QoL than anything else.

Final food for thought and then I'm going to return to my little corner:

Had they said yes in Denver, you'd find yourself on a fairly inhospitable RAP at some point, much like you are now. And if you cannot manage a sleep schedule that allows you to show to fly, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, you're going to be in the same exact boat you're in now.

I know you're frustrated, tired and very angry. It's brutal. You cannot face any decision at all without being adequately rested and that seems to be very core to your plight at the moment.

 

[derg]

That does not exist anymore. At the tech job, you are going to be in the office, SFO or NYC or BOS, 12 hours a day. If you can get that job, and even having a great resume with an Ivy League degree and a past tenure at a few FAANG companies, you probably will not get.

I remember when I thought “Hey! I know a guy!” when my first officer talked about his son having Masters in the industry, working at REI and Chipotle, that surely he wasn’t meeting the right people. I didn’t realize how gutted that industry has become

People think I’m crazy when I say this, but unless you’ve got a pedigree (either name or Alma mater) and in private equity, no one is going to pay what an airline pilot gets paid with the requisite amount of work. We’re an economic island in a sea of rising waters and it’ll eventually get to us.

 

[derg]

The big difference at the majors is you're treated like an adult. Crew scheduling is night and day different. Chief pilots, for the most part, are looking to help and not hang you.

In fact, chief pilots can’t even hang you, they’re generally trying to keep your name off the desk of someone who is absolutely happy to.

I always tell my newbie friends, if the CPO calls, it’s “Yes sir/ma’am, no sir/ma’am, it was an isolated event and will not happen again, I promise” because no one is ever going to ask you a question they already don’t have an answer for. Then, if you deflect and/or lie, the next phone call is going to come with an in-person invitation to speak to someone with a name you’ve never heard before. . “Oh I have a trip that day” “Yeah… no”

 

[🦈💜]

This...in the light of all of the very reasonable things you've said...doesn't make sense. You don't know the net worth of any of your current passengers, and whether they're ultra wealthy or not, you're still a professional and doing the job of operating safely. This value judgment that you despise the wealthy and thus won't work for them just doesn't align...and given how miserable you are, it absolutely baffles me that this is the hill you'd choose to die on. It's your life and choices - I get it....I just don't understand this one. Especially when you could have, potentially, a better QoL.

I think that private jets are unethical on a fundamental and deep level. There's absolutely no valid reason humanity should have people flying around and burning so much fuel so that somebody can maintain the "lifestyle to which they're accustomed." These people should be on airline, on train, or on a bus, or communicating via zoom, no exceptions.

Even if that weren't all enough to keep me from wanting to participate in the process, I would not be able to handle being yelled at by some rich db for catering the wrong kind of shrimp, or diverting. I would yell back and get fired.

Much of the source of your angst stems from fatigue and exhaustion.

Obviously.

ou've repeatedly said that you get the calls at 3am after being asleep for 2 hours. And you know as well as any of us - without adequate sleep, even the brightest world looks like a hellscape absent of all reason. You cannot serve from an empty vessel, Sasha, and you're trying to do exactly that.

I don't agree with this any less than the other times it's been said.

Since that was convoluted: I fully agree.

Stop this. At least this one little bit - stop this insanity and get yourself adequately rested. This one thing, I feel, could have a more massive impact on your QoL than anything else.

That's literally what I'm saying in the face of people telling me to "not give up."

So to be clear, your advice is to quit, right?

Had they said yes in Denver, you'd find yourself on a fairly inhospitable RAP at some point, much like you are now. And if you cannot manage a sleep schedule that allows you to show to fly, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, you're going to be in the same exact boat you're in now.

I can do it for a while, but I've used up all my reserves, so to speak.

I know you're frustrated, tired and very angry. It's brutal. You cannot face any decision at all without being adequately rested and that seems to be very core to your plight at the moment.

No less true than when previously mentioned.

-Fox

 

[derg]

I think that private jets are unethical on a fundamental and deep level. There's absolutely no valid reason humanity should have people flying around and burning so much fuel so that somebody can maintain the "lifestyle to which they're accustomed." These people should be on airline, on train, or on a bus, or communicating via zoom, no exceptions.

Even if that weren't all enough to keep me from wanting to participate in the process, I would not be able to handle being yelled at by some rich db for catering the wrong kind of shrimp, or diverting. I would yell back and get fired.



Obviously.



I don't agree with this any less than the other times it's been said.

Since that was convoluted: I fully agree.



That's literally what I'm saying in the face of people telling me to "not give up."

So to be clear, your advice is to quit, right?



I can do it for a while, but I've used up all my reserves, so to speak.



No less true than when previously mentioned.

-Fox

Again, you have to leave all this stuff bottled up in a jar and somewhere hidden beneath the couch at home.

Whenever I’m ok office hours, people have no clue about my politics, my schedule, my thoughts, dreams or aspirations. All of that, like said above, stays bottled up in a jar hidden underneath my couch… at home.

I’m more than happy to sit down with you either over the phone or in-person to do some forensics for you in order to help.

But I will preface that with “all this” has to stay at home. Period. Just like going on a trip, anything external, once the epaulets go on (or in this case, an interview outfit) is alien to the moment.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

dont think there was much complaint about the compensation, more the work life balance and lack of progression
the luggage comment is v boomer avocado toast

He’s completely tone deaf. He’s not really here to help. Just to feel smug about getting lucky.

 

[killbilly]

That's literally what I'm saying in the face of people telling me to "not give up."

So to be clear, your advice is to quit, right?

There was nothing where I said to quit.

I said you need to regulate your sleep schedule to start with.

PM me if you feel like talking further.

 

[🦈💜]

There was nothing where I said to quit.

I said you need to regulate your sleep schedule to start with.

So wait, what you're saying then is "just change your circadian rhythm! It's easy, just "regulate your schedule!""?

Normal people shouldn't complain about back-to-back redeyes! The FAA shouldn't care about the concept of WOCL—pilots just need to regulate their sleep schedule. Airline management loves your point of view! It's your responsibility, after all. All you need to do is regulate your sleep schedule to work 10pm reserve for the rest of your life. Get to the airport at midnight, fly until 3pm, then go home. As long as you regulate your sleep schedule, all is good.

My suprachiasmatic nucleus doesn't agree, nor does science. You can't really change your chronotype—at most, you can work against it for a while, but like a rubber band it will always snap back. And as it stretches, you get stretched.

So what you're saying is basically "Toughen up, buttercup. You can shift your sleep schedule to work graveyard shifts for five years. It's easy. Anyone can do it. Just regulate your sleep schedule."

Or am I missing something that you're saying here? Because I'm a night person, have always been a night person, always get progressively more exhausted when I'm on a day shift, and—like a day person working graveyard shift—get more and more run-down the longer I try to do it. And that's pretty easy science.

Oh and by the way, getting up at 3am doesn't impact a WOCL because RAP doesn't impinge on a WOCL, since it's not "FDP", even though it's duty. Just like deadheads, "LIMO"s, etc, don't count as legs for table B, don't count as FDP at the end of an FDP, and the company can remove "non-movement" block time to work you longer on table A. And extensions, including extending RAP+16 by two hours, are automatic.

 

[🦈💜]

Again, you have to leave all this stuff bottled up in a jar and somewhere hidden beneath the couch at home.

Whenever I’m ok office hours, people have no clue about my politics, my schedule, my thoughts, dreams or aspirations. All of that, like said above, stays bottled up in a jar hidden underneath my couch… at home.

I’m more than happy to sit down with you either over the phone or in-person to do some forensics for you in order to help.

But I will preface that with “all this” has to stay at home. Period. Just like going on a trip, anything external, once the epaulets go on (or in this case, an interview outfit) is alien to the moment.

The simple fact is that as far as I can tell nobody can pass these interviews without prep, because they have nothing to do with the applicant and everything to do with how well they've studied the gouge. I was asked to "list the thirteen briefing criteria" in the interview, which is a common question according to the gouge. But the interview packet they send doesn't even gently imply that you need to memorize those things—it says "Using a Threat Forward Briefing concept, . . . crew briefings typically cover the following information."

But the expectation is that you have those thirteen things memorized. Even better is if you have a friend's briefing card, because sometimes they ask candidates for a full united-style briefing and expect that they're able to do it. (Yes, I had both, but I wouldn't have known to do that without paying someone for what is, effectively, gouge. I would have walked in, prepared to hit them with my airline's standard briefing if asked)

Even the TMAAT questions, which, according to people in the interview process, are "just a way to get to know you," need to be:
• An appropriate story that fits the situation, that:
• Paints you in a good light, and;
• Hits all of the "humility, resilience, etc, etc" criteria, and;
• Is told in a specific format ("STAR"), and yet somehow isn't canned or stolen from someone else.

And we're going to make sure to ask different questions so that we can catch a candidate off guard. Because the real test, you see, is whether they can compose one of these stories on the fly that hits all the bullet points.

They also appear to be specifically designed to screen out people like me. I'm amazed they even interviewed me, but I did literally everything in my power to get ready for this interview, and they still said no.

Why do I need to constantly debrief interviews to try to learn how to interview better in this tortured format so that I can become a better actor so that I can convince someone to give me a chance someday?

I was as good as I could be for all of these interviews. If they don't want me, they don't want me. I get "don't give up" after one or two interviews when you're 23, but pretty much everybody has told me no at this point, some multiple times.

I'm listening to everything everybody says, but it's starting to feel like toxic positivity.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I'm listening to everything everybody says, but it's starting to feel like toxic positivity.

Do you just start these threads to vent or actually gain something from it? You start one like this every 6 months and people generally give you the same advice, and then it devolves into you lashing at people, the world, etc. There are plenty of people who have offered to help you out.

 

[🦈💜]

Do you just start these threads to vent or actually gain something from it?

*Points to the subject*

You start one like this every 6 months and people generally give you the same advice, and then it devolves into you lashing at people, the world, etc. There are plenty of people who have offered to help you out.

People often try to "help" people by offering them platitudes, advice that can't be operated on, or attempts to make them conform to their own ideology. When it is pointed out that the advice doesn't apply for whatever reason, that's treated as "rejecting such good, heartfelt advice," or "lashing out."

I am miserable. I do not enjoy this career at this point. I don't expect anyone to have any useful advice.

I wanted to rant that $SUBJECT.

 

[jhugz]

The simple fact is that as far as I can tell nobody can pass these interviews without prep, because they have nothing to do with the applicant and everything to do with how well they've studied the gouge. I was asked to "list the thirteen briefing criteria" in the interview, which is a common question according to the gouge. But the interview packet they send doesn't even gently imply that you need to memorize those things—it says "Using a Threat Forward Briefing concept, . . . crew briefings typically cover the following information."

But the expectation is that you have those thirteen things memorized. Even better is if you have a friend's briefing card, because sometimes they ask candidates for a full united-style briefing and expect that they're able to do it. (Yes, I had both, but I wouldn't have known to do that without paying someone for what is, effectively, gouge. I would have walked in, prepared to hit them with my airline's standard briefing if asked)

Even the TMAAT questions, which, according to people in the interview process, are "just a way to get to know you," need to be:
• An appropriate story that fits the situation, that:
• Paints you in a good light, and;
• Hits all of the "humility, resilience, etc, etc" criteria, and;
• Is told in a specific format ("STAR"), and yet somehow isn't canned or stolen from someone else.

And we're going to make sure to ask different questions so that we can catch a candidate off guard. Because the real test, you see, is whether they can compose one of these stories on the fly that hits all the bullet points.

They also appear to be specifically designed to screen out people like me. I'm amazed they even interviewed me, but I did literally everything in my power to get ready for this interview, and they still said no.

Why do I need to constantly debrief interviews to try to learn how to interview better in this tortured format so that I can become a better actor so that I can convince someone to give me a chance someday?

I was as good as I could be for all of these interviews. If they don't want me, they don't want me. I get "don't give up" after one or two interviews when you're 23, but pretty much everybody has told me no at this point, some multiple times.

I'm listening to everything everybody says, but it's starting to feel like toxic positivity.

You have someone, heavily involved with pilot hiring at a legacy airline. They’re offering their services free of charge and you’re not taking them up on the offer. You don’t need advice, you’ve already given up. Maybe that’s fine but stop lashing out at people on here.

Either be willing to put in the work or eject. Your story isn’t special. In fact it’s the same as thousands of pilots that got hired at a legacy before you.

 

[Skåning]

Do you just start these threads to vent or actually gain something from it? You start one like this every 6 months and people generally give you the same advice, and then it devolves into you lashing at people, the world, etc. There are plenty of people who have offered to help you out.

After having gotten multiple major interviews and the TBNT after every one, you can’t help but wonder if the cynicism comes off in the interview.