Age 67 legislation reintroduced
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DE727UPS
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The only guys that were allowed to "come back" after age 60 went away were guys still on the list. Only way to stay on the list after 60 was to downgrade to FE. We had guys that went to the FE seat at 60 and came back with their old seniority to the left seat. Obviously, there is no FE anymore. So, anyone who hit's 65 is out the door forever until the rule changes (if it does). So, I'm not sure I follow your scenario. How could a 78 Capt stay on the list to become a junior FO after age 67 (if it happens)
jhugz
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They’re basically saying in the current language they’re slinging is those that already retired are eligible to come back, but not at their seniority they retired back. So a 78 CA that retired 6 months ago can come back as a 73 FO if rehired.
ASpilot2be
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I have also heard it would be a domestic rule change. So they wouldn't be able to fly 121 internationally.
DE727UPS
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Okay. I would say if they are coming back at first year pay then you'll have few takers. And you would be talking about freaks. If it was maxed out F/O pay then you'd have more. Those who can't afford to retire. I've run into a few guys forced out at 65 than literally have to keep working do to poor life choices are just plain bad luck. But what you're describing isn't how it was when age 60 went away.
I see we’re routinely disappointed by the same Senator.Hooray! I so can't wait for yet another condescending form letter in response to my concerns from my Senator the Astronaut about how he knows so much more than I do about being an airline pilot because he went to space.
Bob Ridpath
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Old guy here, approaching 72 for context.
This is just not a good idea, for reasons which ought to be obvious.
There is clear (and verifiable) evidence of both cognitive and physical decline in seniors. It ought to be obvious that we are closer to our demise, all things being equal, than those who are younger. Shouldn't happen in the cockpit with greater frequency than it does now.
This is an idiotic bill; not just unneeded but wrong foundationally.
There is a LOT one might do in their senior years; flying passengers is not one of those things.
This is just not a good idea, for reasons which ought to be obvious.
There is clear (and verifiable) evidence of both cognitive and physical decline in seniors. It ought to be obvious that we are closer to our demise, all things being equal, than those who are younger. Shouldn't happen in the cockpit with greater frequency than it does now.
This is an idiotic bill; not just unneeded but wrong foundationally.
There is a LOT one might do in their senior years; flying passengers is not one of those things.
phill1174
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This is getting to be like the fly that got into the house as you were letting the dogs in and now you can’t kill it no matter how hard you try.
I get it! especially seeing my dad getting close to retiring and realizing he’s not ready. I used to think most that weren’t ready to punch out were bad with money but some people truly don’t know how to navigate post retirement life and I think it plays a part in your lifespan after retirement. I’d rather see him work past 65 than struggle to find ways to occupy his time.
With all this being said aviation, specially being at the pointy end of the airplane isn’t the place for this. Being on the 78 at United or the 350 at Delta MIGHT be tolerable for someone in their mid 60’s but there’s no way in hell I’d want to be doing 3 or 4 legs at my shop around the northeast or between Mather and Reno in the middle of the night. Even on the whale dealing with the time changes over a 10-12 day span isn’t healthy. I’m sure the same can be said for someone on a fleet that does regional at any airline.
i’d be surprised if 67 isn’t passed before 2028. IMO we’ll probably be looking at age 70 before I have to punch out in 30yrs.
I get it! especially seeing my dad getting close to retiring and realizing he’s not ready. I used to think most that weren’t ready to punch out were bad with money but some people truly don’t know how to navigate post retirement life and I think it plays a part in your lifespan after retirement. I’d rather see him work past 65 than struggle to find ways to occupy his time.
With all this being said aviation, specially being at the pointy end of the airplane isn’t the place for this. Being on the 78 at United or the 350 at Delta MIGHT be tolerable for someone in their mid 60’s but there’s no way in hell I’d want to be doing 3 or 4 legs at my shop around the northeast or between Mather and Reno in the middle of the night. Even on the whale dealing with the time changes over a 10-12 day span isn’t healthy. I’m sure the same can be said for someone on a fleet that does regional at any airline.
i’d be surprised if 67 isn’t passed before 2028. IMO we’ll probably be looking at age 70 before I have to punch out in 30yrs.
phill1174
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I don’t hate it to be honest. They made their money, had their fun and hopefully made a few good memories. It’s time to turn to the next chapter. I’d be curious to see how many would be out on medical if age 67 is passed.
Maximilian_Jenius
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My mom always told us to tell us kids, "stay busy living after retirement. Or start dying." She had all these big plans for her retirement, after teaching for thirty-five years. Then the pandemic came, she couldn't be as active as she'd planned for years ago. She stagnated watching daytime television. And got diagnosed with rapid onset Alzheimer/dementia. Granted didn't get those diseases from simple stagnation, they run genetic on my mother's side of the family. But her stagnant lifestyle post retirement definitely didn't help. Make sure that your dad stays busy in retirement, has a schedule. That he has a reason to get up out of bed and out of the on house on the daily.
phill1174
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He’ll find something to do. Him and my mom do a lot even though they’re still working. He’s not a sit around and watch tv kind of guy either thankfully so I think that’ll help.
Alzheimer’s/dementia is a nasty disease that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Captain I was flying with was telling me his own mom doesn’t even know who he is. One of the few times I had no comforting words.
Maximilian_Jenius
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My stepfather died several years before she retired, it could have also been another reason she called it quits. So, it was just her in the house, that probably also didn't help her situation much either. She almost burnt the her house down one day, wanted to make breakfast and just walked away from the gas range and went to watch daytime t.v. Fortunately my sister came over to check on her.
They sold all three of her properties, she now lives in VT. with my older sister now. She could no longer live alone in Tucson. I can't call because she's just hang up the phone abruptly because she doesn't remember how to use it. So, I haven spoken to her in over a year. She's deteriorated as lot from when you saw her in 2022 at the wedding. We're supposed to go and visit them this coming summer, in VT. I've been dragging it out. But I know that I need to see her, have to see her. This • is haunting, she just has a constant vacant stare and she doesn't remember who I am. Or really anyone for that matter. This disease is the • worst. My mom is probably one of the smartest people I know. She has two bachelor's degrees, two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. And this disease has erased everything from her in less than six years.
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