Air Canada FAs on strike

Back to the main topic, I know many think that Canada, the other commonwealth countries or many places in Europe are super labor friendly, but they’re really not.

Superficially they look better because the government covers a few items, but where the rubber meets the road on pay and quality of life items, yea, it can be a bad deal. The entirely of the industry outside the US, with a few exceptions, is a pretty raw deal.

Canada can be pretty bad. You don’t want to be in binding arbitration under any circumstances. It’s where really, really bad deals go to gestate. Alaska found that out a few years ago.
 
I’d say easily 90% of my seniority list couldn’t miss two paychecks.
Honestly you probably aren't wrong. I flew with a CA making over 400k living paycheck to paycheck purely by choice. I honestly have no idea how that happens. Even with divorces and kids.
 
Honestly you probably aren't wrong. I flew with a CA making over 400k living paycheck to paycheck purely by choice. I honestly have no idea how that happens. Even with divorces and kids.
Wouldn’t it be wild if they taught basic financial literacy in school.
 
Probably next door to the guys constantly complaining about our commuter policy that do two-legs to a base because he didn’t want to give the wife the bad news that commuting from rural Cacalacky isn’t sustainable.
That policy is kind of doo-doo though.
 
I’d say easily 90% of my seniority list couldn’t miss two paychecks.


I believe it.



I know a CA at our shop needs 90 hrs / month just to break even. Unfortunately, the single biggest upset for a man in his 30s and 40s (outside medical emergency/cancer): Divorce. Ex-wife, 3 kids. Settlement, Alimony, child support. Now married to a new gal. She’s got 3 kids of her own from her previous marriage. He’s basically supporting 6 kids now. The new wife’s toys/requirements/needs, etc.

Ouch.
 
FO: I fly 100 hrs a month

Me: Good lord why?

FO: check out this photo of my Porsche

Me: So you need to fly 100 hrs a month every month to pay for that?

FO: Yeah that’s why I fly so many red eyes.

I basically saw this as a top signal. It’s in. It’s only downhill from here…
 
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Honestly you probably aren't wrong. I flew with a CA making over 400k living paycheck to paycheck purely by choice. I honestly have no idea how that happens. Even with divorces and kids.
It's not that hard. We have a modest house purchased pre-covid in the DFW area, one small car payment, no debt and no kids. Our monthly expenses are around 7k/mo and we don't really do anything. Throw in a divorce and a couple of kids, that money evaporates quickly.
 
It's not that hard. We have a modest house purchased pre-covid in the DFW area, one small car payment, no debt and no kids. Our monthly expenses are around 7k/mo and we don't really do anything. Throw in a divorce and a couple of kids, that money evaporates quickly.

I owned my little house in South Florida outright. Little 3/2 on a slab, built in 1961, but it was "luxury" because it was a corner lot and had a two car garage you could park 2 small cars in if you were careful.

Mid-2000s, I decided to take a break from work, so I dialed my expenses WAY back. Property tax was $5k/yr. Insurance (no windstorm) was about $3k per year. Phone (w/ DSL internet)/electric/water was variable depending on the season, but call it $600/mo. Ran the AC at 76. COBRA from the job was $250/mo. Pickled my "nice" car, and just ran with my POS Impreza airport car I'd paid cash for when I was "flush".

Toss in food & gas, I was getting by with about $1,700 in direct, sit down on the 15th and write the check expenses. A few all night shifts at the old man's plant and the $650/mo from my teaching gig at the U, and I was just about treading water.

Just about anything could have blown up my program. This was a single dude living alone. I had substantial savings at that point, reasonably healthy, and was fully insured (minus the windstorm), so I wasn't going to get wiped out if something bad happened, so it wasn't like I was flying without a net, but that's what the numbers crunched out to be.

FWIW, I was covered by a "save our homes" property tax cap, which limited the increase every year. Had I been exposed to the run up in prices pre-market crash in 2008, it would have been a real problem. As it happened, my taxes actually went down substantially when the crash happened, but a lot of people lost their ass by being over leveraged in their home. It was literally like walking out to get the paper in your robe and your coffee, and watching everyone on your block lose their minds running around, and thinking "WTF is going on?".

This period taught me two things you don't toy with....your roof over your head and your health insurance.

"But what about hurricanes?" Yes, that was a risk, but a calculated one. My house was your typical 60's house. Well built, concrete block on a slab. Meant to survive, and had survived a number of storms. The biggest risk factor was the roof. I had spent the money when I was flush to have an engineered, exceed all codes roof put on. I was a bachelor, so all my furniture was worth zero, and anything valuable that I had was kept in water resistant plastic bins, which, as anyone who lives in Florida knows, is the only way to keep things you, well, want to keep. Cost for replacing the roof at the time was $25k, which I had pre-funded and was sitting in an account making money. Why cash? Because again, anyone who's lived in Florida knows, after the blow, the only way to get things done quickly is with Benjies, and my roofer said "if you have cash, I'll be there the next day, because insurance pay outs take forever. You go to the front of the line".

As it happens, Wilma went right down my street. No damage, and other people had tarps on their roofs for 12-18 months.

The 30k foot point I'm trying to make is it is possible, but you need to be dedicated to the program, start ahead of the game, and you need to, in essence, make your own luck to avoid avoidable pitfalls. If you have a family, they need to be on with your program as well.
 
Yeah idk what to tell you guys. Stuff's expensive without one bit of retail therapy. Leaving tech was a total financial reset for me, and I spent 10 of the last 12 years making less than 100k. eight of those I made less than 50k.

Currently on year 10 ca pay at my airline and just treading water.
 
Yeah idk what to tell you guys. Stuff's expensive without one bit of retail therapy. Leaving tech was a total financial reset for me, and I spent 10 of the last 12 years making less than 100k. eight of those I made less than 50k.

Currently on year 10 ca pay at my airline and just treading water.

I've been asked by folks over the years about career changing out of aviation to something else. Unless you're pre-dialed in, or have financial cover from a spouse, inheritance or lotto ticket, it's bad news to attempt to go to school in any kind of professional field. Once past about 30, there is simply no way to recoup the losses. and by 40 you'll be in a hole so deep you'll need to work to 72.

I'm talking anything medical, PhD or law related.
 
Regional pilots have never made more. Maybe you’ve made some poor financial decisions?
Depending where you live I can see it. I never thought I'd be paying what I do to live where I do. By all means we do well and don't have any extravagant expenses, but I could easily see how someone who makes objectively "good" money could almost be struggling, or at least not necessarily living large like they would have 10 years ago.
 
Regional pilots have never made more.

Adjusted for inflation, I make ~$100k in 1999 dollars.

What were regional 10 year captain rates in 1999-2001?

I'll wait. Now, consider that house prices and rent have increased at a rate that has dramatically exceeded inflation.

Maybe you’ve made some poor financial decisions?

Maybe I have. I mean, I've always been extremely conservative with my planning. I avoided excessive risk during the days of credit default swap by avoiding getting a mortgage when I would have been most easily able to. The people who took those foolish risks—interest-only ARMs, etc—got bailed out when everything crashed, as did the banks, and left those of us who were trying to make sound fiscal decisions holding the bag.

That did sting.

But that doesn't mean I bear no responsibility for my current financial state. My biggest poor financial decision was coming to aviation. I'm talking with a tech company that wants to interview me for a job that would easily double my total compensation. I was willing to take less, overall, for flying and quality of life. I don't care about money, personally. But to be clear, I have no debt, I haven't ever had large amounts of debt, I don't buy wide-screen TVs or porsches. I drive a 2007 Mazda RX-8, and my family has a ram truck and a 2001 honda civic with 250,000 miles on it.

I think you're underestimating the impact of having either generational wealth or home ownership in the current market. Mortgages under $500k for houses valued at $1.5m+ give you a lot of wiggle room. An $800k mortgage at 3% is extremely appealing when your house has doubled in value and mortgage rates are north of 6%.

In general, my "financial decisions" revolve around prioritizing things other than making as much money as I possibly can. If people take that as a vice, all I can say is that I have different foundational values and a different opinion of what life should be, and we can leave it at that.
 
I’d say easily 90% of my seniority list couldn’t miss two paychecks.

I see that all the time over here too.

Someone smart once told me, to have a one year war fund (for furloughs, strikes, LTD).

My goal a couple years ago was to get to 1.5 years at my current yearly spending level and I’m almost there.

Figured if things go south I can cut back and easily stretch two years.

Having that backup has reduced my BP a considerable amount.
 
I owned my little house in South Florida outright. Little 3/2 on a slab, built in 1961, but it was "luxury" because it was a corner lot and had a two car garage you could park 2 small cars in if you were careful.

Mid-2000s, I decided to take a break from work, so I dialed my expenses WAY back. Property tax was $5k/yr. Insurance (no windstorm) was about $3k per year. Phone (w/ DSL internet)/electric/water was variable depending on the season, but call it $600/mo. Ran the AC at 76. COBRA from the job was $250/mo. Pickled my "nice" car, and just ran with my POS Impreza airport car I'd paid cash for when I was "flush".

Toss in food & gas, I was getting by with about $1,700 in direct, sit down on the 15th and write the check expenses. A few all night shifts at the old man's plant and the $650/mo from my teaching gig at the U, and I was just about treading water.

Just about anything could have blown up my program. This was a single dude living alone. I had substantial savings at that point, reasonably healthy, and was fully insured (minus the windstorm), so I wasn't going to get wiped out if something bad happened, so it wasn't like I was flying without a net, but that's what the numbers crunched out to be.

FWIW, I was covered by a "save our homes" property tax cap, which limited the increase every year. Had I been exposed to the run up in prices pre-market crash in 2008, it would have been a real problem. As it happened, my taxes actually went down substantially when the crash happened, but a lot of people lost their ass by being over leveraged in their home. It was literally like walking out to get the paper in your robe and your coffee, and watching everyone on your block lose their minds running around, and thinking "WTF is going on?".

This period taught me two things you don't toy with....your roof over your head and your health insurance.

"But what about hurricanes?" Yes, that was a risk, but a calculated one. My house was your typical 60's house. Well built, concrete block on a slab. Meant to survive, and had survived a number of storms. The biggest risk factor was the roof. I had spent the money when I was flush to have an engineered, exceed all codes roof put on. I was a bachelor, so all my furniture was worth zero, and anything valuable that I had was kept in water resistant plastic bins, which, as anyone who lives in Florida knows, is the only way to keep things you, well, want to keep. Cost for replacing the roof at the time was $25k, which I had pre-funded and was sitting in an account making money. Why cash? Because again, anyone who's lived in Florida knows, after the blow, the only way to get things done quickly is with Benjies, and my roofer said "if you have cash, I'll be there the next day, because insurance pay outs take forever. You go to the front of the line".

As it happens, Wilma went right down my street. No damage, and other people had tarps on their roofs for 12-18 months.

The 30k foot point I'm trying to make is it is possible, but you need to be dedicated to the program, start ahead of the game, and you need to, in essence, make your own luck to avoid avoidable pitfalls. If you have a family, they need to be on with your program as well.
Old retired guy here, mostly out of lower middle-income jobs (and a substantial number of years in ministry that paid ... poorly).

Got Social Security and a County retirement check about half the former on a monthly basis.

It's enough to get by (was MUCH better during the Biden years) but not enough to get ahead. I balance medical care and fuel/heating oil for food, particularly at end of month. Still occasionally splurge on a steak as circumstances allow and I have three dogs for whom I care - all rescues (my choice and responsibility). It's VERY different now than it was two short years ago. I'm fortunate to have an intimate friendship with my landlord of some forty years and my rent is roughly half of what any other similar apartment might go far in this area. I've raised two sons and glad to do so in a world very much different than we now know.

Content, happy and fortunate - despite occasional challenges - I hope that many of you are building for a future much different than what might have been anticipated some years ago.
 
I see that all the time over here too.

Someone smart once told me, to have a one year war fund (for furloughs, strikes, LTD).

My goal a couple years ago was to get to 1.5 years at my current yearly spending level and I’m almost there.

Figured if things go south I can cut back and easily stretch two years.

Having that backup has reduced my BP a considerable amount.

Personal goal is to mortgage free. If all goes well, I should be able to do that in 2 yrs.


Imagine a life of just property taxes, home insurance, utilities, and food bills. Basic essential life that could be supported even as a McDonald’s manager. That would be the ultimate stress free situation.
 
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