RIP CAPT James Lovell, USN, Apollo 8 & 13

Jim Lovell of Apollo 8 & 13 fame passed today at 97. Lovell’s passing leaves 6 remaining living Apollo program astronauts: David Scott, Russ Schweikart, Buzz Aldrin, Fred Haise, Charles Duke, and Harrison Schmidt.

Very few people give a • about these things anymore. Thanks for taking the time to remember him. I'm unsure but it seems like the zeitgeist thinks we're just going to decide to return to the moon because they want it to happen and it'll be easy. At the same time they've decided SpaceX is run by an evil supervillain and Teslas are an easy opportunity for some sort of online social media virtue signaling credibility. If they destroy the only US company that actually offers a commute to the ISS how do they ever expect to progress to the moon. I've heard they want to put a nuclear reactor on the moon. That all sounds like a fun experiment, is NASA going to do it or will SpaceX make that happen?
 
Very few people give a • about these things anymore. Thanks for taking the time to remember him. I'm unsure but it seems like the zeitgeist thinks we're just going to decide to return to the moon because they want it to happen and it'll be easy. At the same time they've decided SpaceX is run by an evil supervillain and Teslas are an easy opportunity for some sort of online social media virtue signaling credibility. If they destroy the only US company that actually offers a commute to the ISS how do they ever expect to progress to the moon. I've heard they want to put a nuclear reactor on the moon. That all sounds like a fun experiment, is NASA going to do it or will SpaceX make that happen?

Sean Duffy, Interim head of NASA and other Real World MTV Reality TV alumnis will make it happen.

I hope personally it is NASA. The idea of privatizing the nations only way to space was among the most stupid to ever be considered, much less acted upon.
 
Sean Duffy, Interim head of NASA and other Real World MTV Reality TV alumnis will make it happen.

I hope personally it is NASA. The idea of privatizing the nations only way to space was among the most stupid to ever be considered, much less acted upon.
I'm confused. NASA didn't actually build anything, they used contractors. They still want multiple bidders for their disbursements so they can award them to the lowest bidder. SpaceX seems to be the only contractor available currently, Boeing tried but they went over budget and have been unsuccessful so far providing reliable transportation to and from the ISS. When have our space ambitions not been privatized? Like I said I'm a bit confused, do you think government employees designed, built and operated everything thus far, including the Moon landing? Are you upset that there's only one viable option? Is that Elons fault?
 
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So Musk is an •? Hint: Most people that changed the world or the way we live were/are. Personally I find him distasteful, and think there are better ways to go about things, but I'm not the one firing off successful rockets like fireworks, and using the money to fund even bigger ones.

Many people who changed the way we live got hauled into court over their lifetimes, both in reality and in the court of public opinion. In the times they lost in actual court, it usually made them richer, and in the court of public opinion...well, turns out, that doesn't matter.

You could get a person today who invents a way to print new organs using 3D print technology and progenitor cells cloned from the patients own DNA. Drop of blood, send it in, and poof, 28 days later a new kidney. That person would be vilified, in some measure, because someone would find a reason that it is objectionable, unholy, ruins the transplant industry, or god forbid, makes even a cent of profit to put back into their company to move the bar.

It's always something.
 
I'm confused. NASA didn't actually build anything, they used contractors. They still want multiple bidders for their disbursements so they can award them to the lowest bidder. SpaceX seems to be the only contractor available currently, Boeing tried but they went over budget and have been unsuccessful so far providing reliable transportation to and from the ISS. When have our space ambitions not been privatized? Like I said I'm a bit confused, do you think government employees designed, built and operated everything thus far, including the Moon landing? Are you upset that there's only one viable option? Is that Elons fault?

It is a difference between NASA contracting a vehicle they own and operate and simply using SpaceX as space-Uber. One of the inherent risks of the current model was highlighted when Trump-Musk parted ways earlier this year. Trump tweeted something to the effect of cutting off SpaceX and Musk retorted that per Trump's tweet he would clear all the flight schedules for NASA. Yes, it was an overly emotional purse fight between two emo bitches BUT it did highlight a risk. Also the skanky Musk behavior regarding the operation of Starlink with regards to the Ukrainian armed forces. This is not criticism because of my hatred for Musk, but rather that there are some things that need to be not subject to the monetary or emotional needs of a sole individual.
 
So Musk is an •? Hint: Most people that changed the world or the way we live were/are. Personally I find him distasteful, and think there are better ways to go about things, but I'm not the one firing off successful rockets like fireworks, and using the money to fund even bigger ones.

Many people who changed the way we live got hauled into court over their lifetimes, both in reality and in the court of public opinion. In the times they lost in actual court, it usually made them richer, and in the court of public opinion...well, turns out, that doesn't matter.

You could get a person today who invents a way to print new organs using 3D print technology and progenitor cells cloned from the patients own DNA. Drop of blood, send it in, and poof, 28 days later a new kidney. That person would be vilified, in some measure, because someone would find a reason that it is objectionable, unholy, ruins the transplant industry, or god forbid, makes even a cent of profit to put back into their company to move the bar.

It's always something.
Saying that we shouldn’t give up our national space program to private entities is an entirely separate argument from whether or not Musk is a douchebag. Although Musk being a volatile douchebag does highlight one of the risks of letting a private corporation run your space program.
 
You could get a person today who invents a way to print new organs using 3D print technology and progenitor cells cloned from the patients own DNA. Drop of blood, send it in, and poof, 28 days later a new kidney. That person would be vilified, in some measure, because someone would find a reason that it is objectionable, unholy, ruins the transplant industry, or god forbid, makes even a cent of profit to put back into their company to move the bar.
You post a lot of stuff I disagree with, but this is absolutely not one of those things.

I strongly dislike Musk in politics, he's not made good decisions in his personal life, he is annoying a lot of the time, etc. but even as a "hater" I think SpaceX is amazing. SpaceX is allegedly kind of a terrible place to work, but they're also building rockets and a global internet infrastructure that simply seemed like science fiction not that long ago. So too is Tesla a revolutionary organization. Tesla (even though probably it's in spite of Musk) has remade the world of EVs and I just saw like 5 Tesla's on my morning walk. Yeah, they catch on fire occasionally, and homie never really delivered FSD, but electric vehicles being crazy futuristic nonsense has been a trope since I was a kid, and now we live among them. I'm not going to buy one, but I'm definitely going to give credit where it's due. Tesla basically made it practical for a great many other companies to even consider EVs an option.

These seem like objectively "good" things to me even though Elon is an ass a lot of the time. There are a LOT of reasons why the world isn't as black and white as we all want it to be. Henry Ford was an antisemitic lunatic, but also, modern society would be vastly different without him. I have a hard time believing we would have kicked the • out of the nazis without Ford's factory in Ypsilanti blasting out B24s. At least it would have been more complicated. Not saying I'd want to hang out with Ford, I'm just saying that the nuance of this big world is probably more important than people give it credit.

This isn't to say that "all advances are good" or "ignore the ethical implications" but I have become tired of people with no skin in the game, no real accomplishments, and no motivation to do anything beyond exist, consume, and be entertained screaming into the void about how bad something is that they don't understand. mRNA vaccines are a perfect example of this - they're amazing, and you've got a bunch of uneducated Luddite dumbasses talking about how bad they are. Read a single scientific paper on the subject - this stuff is borderline miraculous.

I pretty much delete those people from my list of "knowledgeable and trustworthy sources" when I hear a lot of the nonsense that gets bandied around these days. If you're not doing that, I recommend it, its really freeing.

Saying that we shouldn’t give up our national space program to private entities is an entirely separate argument from whether or not Musk is a douchebag. Although Musk being a volatile douchebag does highlight one of the risks of letting a private corporation run your space program.

I actually have some mixed thoughts about this. I think we should have a sort of national space exploration program that's pushing the boundaries of what's possible, etc. and think we should have chartered/publicly funded private organizations that can do the flying too. I want NASA making up cool as missions and providing guidance for them then making absolutely crazy ideas reality by throwing money at it. "I want to see humans on Titan by the end of the decade! Not because it's easy, but because a planet covered in volatile hydrocarbons would be awesome to see!" SpaceX can build the rockets, I don't care, hell, it's not like NASA actually built the LEM, that was a Grumman project, but they set really bold ideas down, then we (collectively) funded the • out of it. That's what I want. Let's mine asteroids and bring in abundance to the whole world - and not like some neo-lib • of abundance, but like, literally, "yeah, the price of everything is in freefall."

I suspect from my time in government thus far that NASA is probably like the FAA which is probably like us (though I think we're a little more nimble at our level). I wouldn't want the FAA running all the air taxis in JNU, though. It'd probably be a lot safer, but that's because you'd need to file 30 pieces of paperwork to fly at all, there'd have to be an airplane usage steering committee meeting, you'd have to involve Karen and Russ in accounting (and their schedules are packed packed packed and you can't takeoff without them signing off on the manifest no later than 23 minutes before departure).

I guess what I'm saying is I applaud private efforts even though the people who direct them (Musk, Bezos, etc.) tend to be insufferable, while at the same time I want NASA out there doing amazing • too.
 
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Words words words....

I strongly dislike Musk in politics, he's not made good decisions in his personal life, he is annoying a lot of the time, etc. but even as a "hater" I think SpaceX is amazing

.... Words words words.

Rockefeller allegedly trolled the Supreme Court to their faces:

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful that you can possibly imagine"

Lucas apparently liked it so much he used it in Star Wars.
 
So Musk is an •? Hint: Most people that changed the world or the way we live were/are. Personally I find him distasteful, and think there are better ways to go about things, but I'm not the one firing off successful rockets like fireworks, and using the money to fund even bigger ones.

Many people who changed the way we live got hauled into court over their lifetimes, both in reality and in the court of public opinion. In the times they lost in actual court, it usually made them richer, and in the court of public opinion...well, turns out, that doesn't matter.

You could get a person today who invents a way to print new organs using 3D print technology and progenitor cells cloned from the patients own DNA. Drop of blood, send it in, and poof, 28 days later a new kidney. That person would be vilified, in some measure, because someone would find a reason that it is objectionable, unholy, ruins the transplant industry, or god forbid, makes even a cent of profit to put back into their company to move the bar.

It's always something.

My nephew claims to know how to create an energy generation cycle with 100% efficiency. I told him to please tell me when he actually does and i will invest every penny to my name. He is a very intelligent young lad, but obviously that cant reshape physics. But in the end, I’d be surprised if he doesn’t do something pretty impressive and world changing. But to your point, he’s also kind of an ass to people. Not in a mean bullying way, more of a “I’m 11 and i know you’re a moron and it confuses me because you are an adult” way.
 
So Musk is an •? Hint: Most people that changed the world or the way we live were/are. Personally I find him distasteful, and think there are better ways to go about things, but I'm not the one firing off successful rockets like fireworks, and using the money to fund even bigger ones.

Many people who changed the way we live got hauled into court over their lifetimes, both in reality and in the court of public opinion. In the times they lost in actual court, it usually made them richer, and in the court of public opinion...well, turns out, that doesn't matter.

You could get a person today who invents a way to print new organs using 3D print technology and progenitor cells cloned from the patients own DNA. Drop of blood, send it in, and poof, 28 days later a new kidney. That person would be vilified, in some measure, because someone would find a reason that it is objectionable, unholy, ruins the transplant industry, or god forbid, makes even a cent of profit to put back into their company to move the bar.

It's always something.
So something else, since you later brought up one of the gilded age industrial titans… back in that day we didn’t just let those mega wealthy jerks run rampant. Those were days when we had people literally taking up arms in the early labor movement, the government creating thing like labor and anti trust laws, and taxes so high that these guys spent their money on vanity public works projects like museums and libraries that still have their names today rather than giving it to the government. Musk’s douchebaggery would be a lot more tolerable with a unionized Tesla and spacex and if his taxes were high enough that he’d rather spend his money creating the Elon Musk museum of space flight and technology in addition to his weird breeding compound.
 
So something else, since you later brought up one of the gilded age industrial titans… back in that day we didn’t just let those mega wealthy jerks run rampant. Those were days when we had people literally taking up arms in the early labor movement, the government creating thing like labor and anti trust laws, and taxes so high that these guys spent their money on vanity public works projects like museums and libraries that still have their names today rather than giving it to the government. Musk’s douchebaggery would be a lot more tolerable with a unionized Tesla and spacex and if his taxes were high enough that he’d rather spend his money creating the Elon Musk museum of space flight and technology in addition to his weird breeding compound.
The successor company to the Pinkertons being outraged that the Red Dead Redemption series accurately portrayed them as a bunch of murderous, union-busting corporatist thugs was a whole moment in time.
 
So something else, since you later brought up one of the gilded age industrial titans… back in that day we didn’t just let those mega wealthy jerks run rampant. Those were days when we had people literally taking up arms in the early labor movement, the government creating thing like labor and anti trust laws, and taxes so high that these guys spent their money on vanity public works projects like museums and libraries that still have their names today rather than giving it to the government. Musk’s douchebaggery would be a lot more tolerable with a unionized Tesla and spacex and if his taxes were high enough that he’d rather spend his money creating the Elon Musk museum of space flight and technology in addition to his weird breeding compound.
This is true, it's also true that the Guggenheim foundation had an impact on aviation that lasts to the modern era and probably did make things a lot safer.

It can be true that these guys are • and also true that the vanity projects they took on were important. We need a more militant arm to our labor politics though - just in general I think that's probably always true.
 
This is true, it's also true that the Guggenheim foundation had an impact on aviation that lasts to the modern era and probably did make things a lot safer.

It can be true that these guys are • and also true that the vanity projects they took on were important. We need a more militant arm to our labor politics though - just in general I think that's probably always true.
(Marshall) Field museum, (Andrew) Carnegie Museum and libraries…
 
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