///AMG
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I’m not trying to be mean, but I can’t tell you how many people ask me if you’re an AI bot that I’ve been experimenting with. True story!
Well in their defense (it wasn't me), you did experiment with AI bots here before
Air India plane crash
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Well in their defense (it wasn't me), you did experiment with AI bots here before
Skåning
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And then have it complain about always being on the cusp of downgrading! Yeah that would be so fun
BEEF SUPREME
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No I was think more along the lines of the Secretary of Education. We could have him ask why he can't bid for the 787 SEA base even though he's a 737 pilot. Since his IQ is so low it's in the retarded range.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
Reminder that Captain Steeeve already took his shot and put on the dunce cap for this meeting when he declared it was a wrong flap setting.
I don’t care if what he says now ends-up aligning with what someone with authority says after a considered investigation. A clown that •s everywhere is going to get it in the toilet once in a while, but we have to walk around piles of clown • in the meantime. Captain Steeeve, stop trying to post through it.
I don’t care if what he says now ends-up aligning with what someone with authority says after a considered investigation. A clown that •s everywhere is going to get it in the toilet once in a while, but we have to walk around piles of clown • in the meantime. Captain Steeeve, stop trying to post through it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Not just the flaps up instead of gear up, but blaming the FO for having done so. That’s took-like behavior.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That’s the AAIB link
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So it looks like one guy cut them off at 0842:42
10 seconds later, I assume the other person placed them back on to idle in order to get re-starts.
10 seconds later, I assume the other person placed them back on to idle in order to get re-starts.
BEEF SUPREME
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BEEF SUPREME
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From page 14:
The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off. In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.
It would be interesting to know if flap retraction speed from flaps 5 to flaps 1 was 180 knots...
knot4u
Repeat Offender
This is why I always want pilots to have at least some mode of actual mechanical control over flight controls and engines. I've made it very apparent that I hate Hawkers and all of the cocks in the cockpit but despite my loathing they're a very solid airframe that will always give the pilots a fighting chance when things start to go wrong. I'm going to wait for the official report on this deal before I jump to any conclusion.
BEEF SUPREME
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IDK man if you shut down the engines at 400' after takeoff on any aircraft, I'm pretty sure the outcome will be extremely bad.
FlyingAccountant
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Those cutoffs didn't flip themselves. Wonder if someone else was in the cockpit with them.
knot4u
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I agree. My point is what actually caused the engines to shut down? It's not as if the FDR actually records the physical position of the switches, it records their output (run or cutoff) digitally and that's great but weird things happen that seem so inconceivable that the explanation is the stuff books are written about. I'd agree that at this point one of two things happened, either someone reached over and shut the engines down or something else effected those switches that shut the engines off. I'm not ready to place blame until we know all of the facts. I guess because Boeing and the NTSB has been involved and no emergency AD's or newsletters have been issued it looks like it must've been one of the crew but I'm not an expert and I'll wait to hear what they have to say after they've chased down every other possibility. Their job isn't trying to place blame, it's finding the actual cause of an accident.