Air India plane crash

What I have gleaned from youtube videos on most subjects:

Gimme money
Gimme money
Gimme money

Maybe 10% of YT has content that is done for the love of the subject and is clever enough to be watchable (This Old Tony), is good enough to earn bucks they give to charity (BPL), or long form content so arcane or esoteric, done well, that you don't mind if they earn a few bucks from it (usually anything 40k lore related). Places that are archiving what is basically ephemera for future generations, like Periscope Films, gets a free pass.
 
Richman said:
What I have gleaned from youtube videos on most subjects:

Gimme money
Gimme money
Gimme money

Maybe 10% of YT has content that is done for the love of the subject and is clever enough to be watchable (This Old Tony), is good enough to earn bucks they give to charity (BPL), or long form content so arcane or esoteric, done well, that you don't mind if they earn a few bucks from it (usually anything 40k lore related). Places that are archiving what is basically ephemera for future generations, like Periscope Films, gets a free pass.
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[Title]

[Shocked face w/ or w/out a single finger pointed up]

[Bombastic text at bottom of title graphic]

{introduction]

[Invitation to like, share, subscribe]

[Squarespace Plug]

[Eight minutes of ‘vamping’]

[Lightly touch subject matter with no definitive ‘shock’ promised by the title graphic]

[Thank viewers for support and directives to follow the links below]

Voila, 99% of YouTube!
 
I don't mind a little pimping of the sponsor. Brandon's Cult Movie Reviews always have that, but it's like 30s long, and the rest is funny and relevant to my eclectic interests that I don't mind.

Sometimes, just sometimes, there is a blessed union, of art, music, talent, & poetry on subjects you wouldn't think would mix, at all. BPL does great long form lore stuff on Battletech, among other things, and pays creators to do art for them, like Hired Steel & DC Bruins, and encourages others to hire them. They even get Duncan freekin' Fisher (George Ledoux) to do bits. They donate what they get from YT to charity.


View: https://youtu.be/KMcKUNLIWAw?si=2p8gJpsaeFs8hFPT
 
luke3 said:
What's the background of the poster? He refers to "blue hydraulic system" which is an Airbus thing for the center system. Even though even in my 767 manuals the center system is drawn in blue, it's not a terminology that ever appears in Boeing land.

With my lack of 787 knowledge, it sounds plausible. If it ends up being even remotely true, it's the stuff nightmares are made of
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Not trying to shoot the messenger here....

Sounds like a bunch of made-up BS with enough factual sounding stuff mixed in to sound believable. Supporting evidence of some incidents where generators dropped offline, and/or loss of AC power? FSOV? Really? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. Just doesn't seem plausible to me. But saying the "design philosophy" is to shut fuel off over retaining engine operation is bizarre from any sort of design standpoint. Manual fuel shutoff has worked for a very very long time. No fire burns that quickly or catastrophically to prioritize fire suppression over the ability to not crash.
 
derg said:
I'm patient.

But the next non-pilot who sends me a text with that AI generated "crash report" is getting quiet blocked.
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Same. This, DCA, YYZ...non-pilots have a VERY hard time understanding investigations take months best case but probably years. Because accuracy. I have never seen the flying public in such a frenzy outside of 9/11 in my lifetime. A LOT of people who I never thought would think twice about plane crashes are suddenly scared to fly. That is serous.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Same. This, DCA, YYZ...non-pilots have a VERY hard time understanding investigations take months best case but probably years. Because accuracy. I have never seen the flying public in such a frenzy outside of 9/11 in my flight time. A LOT of people who I never thought would think twice about plane crashes are suddenly scared to fly. That is serous.
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Even pilots do. I was involved in a discussion on my pilot groups Facebook page that was a flutter with “SO MANY CRASHES!”

Well, not really when you look at history.

“How is THREE NEAR MISSES normal to you?”

Buddy there are way, WAY more ‘near misses’ (I hate that term because if you nearly miss someone, that means you ALMOST missed) than the three you’re talking about.
 
derg said:
Even pilots do. I was involved in a discussion on my pilot groups Facebook page that was a flutter with “SO MANY CRASHES!”

Well, not really when you look at history.

“How is THREE NEAR MISSES normal to you?”

Buddy there are way, WAY more ‘near misses’ (I hate that term because if you nearly miss someone, that means you ALMOST missed) than the three you’re talking about.
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It's kind of scary that we now have pilots who don't understand what a feat the last 2 decades have been compared to all of those prior. Especially in the US. It needs to be understood to not be taken for granted to ensure we move forward and not backward. One of my SkyWest Customer service pals is at AA now. He didn't know about AA587, like AT ALL, until I told him about it. He's like 40. Wtf lol
 
That’s a thing these days.

Maybe it’s a sign of my age and time compression, but it feels like we went from the murder of the crew on the PSA BAe-146 to the Cerritos mid-air to the Captain Haynes crash in the DC-10 to the PSA 727 vs Cessna midair with catlike quickness. It felt like something was happening every 6 months to a year in aviation.

(None of those are in historical order)

I was talking about KAL 007 while conducting an OE about “If we’re on fire here, we can divert to Russia, BUT there are some briefing items I’d like to share with you if you have to do that because you certainly won’t when your heart is racing and you’ve got the mask on” — the OE pilot couldn’t believe the Russians shot down a 747 and it wasn’t even their first civilian airliner shoot-down either. Like… oblivious.
 
derg said:
That’s a thing these days.

Maybe it’s a sign of my age and time compression, but it feels like we went from the murder of the crew on the PSA BAe-146 to the Cerritos mid-air to the Captain Haynes crash in the DC-10 to the PSA 727 vs Cessna midair with catlike quickness. It felt like something was happening every 6 months to a year in aviation.

(None of those are in historical order)

I was talking about KAL 007 while conducting an OE about “If we’re on fire here, we can divert to Russia, BUT there are some briefing items I’d like to share with you if you have to do that because you certainly won’t when your heart is racing and you’ve got the mask on” — the OE pilot couldn’t believe the Russians shot down a 747 and it wasn’t even their first civilian airliner shoot-down either. Like… oblivious.
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They probably don’t even know the history of their own shop’s accidents/incidents that prompted major changes in aviation as a whole. Such as 191/DFW and the changes to both wind shear understanding, mitigation, reaction, and field weather reporting sensing. Sad to see.
 
MikeD said:
They probably don’t even know the history of their own shop’s accidents/incidents that prompted major changes in aviation as a whole. Such as 191/DFW and the changes to both wind shear understanding, mitigation, reaction, and field weather reporting sensing. Sad to see.
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This is true. Well, I had a day when the other pilot was complaining about the amount of times we mentioned the flaps on the various checklists on the 320.

Me, I really don’t care because it’s cheap insurance against taking off without the flaps set and we had that 727 in DFW back in the day. The FO said something like “We didn’t do that at NW and we managed to not take off with the flaps up” and when I said “that’s not 100% accurate” he had no idea about the DC9.
 
ChasenSFO said:
It's kind of scary that we now have pilots who don't understand what a feat the last 2 decades have been compared to all of those prior. Especially in the US. It needs to be understood to not be taken for granted to ensure we move forward and not backward. One of my SkyWest Customer service pals is at AA now. He didn't know about AA587, like AT ALL, until I told him about it. He's like 40. Wtf lol
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I was just finishing high school when the "Miracle on the Hudson" happened, and I honestly don't remember any of the crashes other than 9/11 before that except for TWA800 (and that may only be because I grew up in St Louis). I don't know if it was because of my age, but it feels like before social media and message boards, crashes would get a few minutes on the evening news for a day.
 
derg said:
Maybe it’s a sign of my age and time compression, but it feels like we went from the murder of the crew on the PSA BAe-146 to the Cerritos mid-air to the Captain Haynes crash in the DC-10 to the PSA 727 vs Cessna midair with catlike quickness. It felt like something was happening every 6 months to a year in aviation.
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USAir alone had five fatal accidents in five years in the early 90s.
 
bbmikej said:
I was just finishing high school when the "Miracle on the Hudson" happened, and I honestly don't remember any of the crashes other than 9/11 before that except for TWA800 (and that may only be because I grew up in St Louis). I don't know if it was because of my age, but it feels like before social media and message boards, crashes would get a few minutes on the evening news for a day.
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My autism can not comprehend this. I was on airdisasters.com reading reports in the mid 90s as like a 7 year old because I wanted to be a pilot and didn't want to die doing that. Lol
 
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bbmikej said:
I was just finishing high school when the "Miracle on the Hudson" happened, and I honestly don't remember any of the crashes other than 9/11 before that except for TWA800 (and that may only be because I grew up in St Louis). I don't know if it was because of my age, but it feels like before social media and message boards, crashes would get a few minutes on the evening news for a day.
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Uh…not at all. As common as crashes were (relatively speaking) back in the day, they still got significant news coverage. Where do you think the fear of flying came from?
 
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