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How are the flight superintendents feeling about the new proposal they got today? From what I’ve seen it doesn’t look like much of anything, but wondering what the feeling for the people voting on it think!
Delta New TA
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CargoOvrPax
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CoorsLight
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No yearly raise? No raise whatsoever?
WhoopWhoop pull up
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I think it’s all upfront and nothing throughout the life of the contract.
CoorsLight
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Gotcha. Delta dispatchers have other contractual mechanisms that have allowed them to get additional yearly raises. Delta opened this contract at a higher yearly pay rate than both American and United despite signing the last contract in 2019 vs UA/AA’s post Covid contract extensions…
ATLiens
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WN and AA both work around 1,750 hours a year, but I’ve heard Delta’s TA doesn’t include any reduction in hours. How’s that even possible? No changes to the pay scale? No bump in 401(k) match? All the raises just buried in overrides?
Can someone who’s in the know help the rest of us understand how anyone could vote yes on this?
Can someone who’s in the know help the rest of us understand how anyone could vote yes on this?
WhoopWhoop pull up
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It also helps you get a nice fat profit sharing check just about every year too
CoorsLight
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Delta works less days per year than American and Southwest. The company would be more than happy to drop hours to 1750 in exchange for the 4-4 10hr schedule. The group had no appetite for giving up that schedule.
10% is 10% regardless of where it is, right?
ATLiens
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If that were the case why put raises into overrides at all? I don’t have any of the details but it must be saving the company and harming the group (and industry as a whole) to be hiding raises outside of base pay (overtime, 401k matches etc)
CoorsLight
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As one of the two unionized work groups with unions knocking on the door, Delta management wants to hide money. Overrides are their way of doing it.
As for your assertion that they save the company and harm the group, that’s not correct. The overrides in this TA are eligible towards OT, 401k, etc.
To claim that delta is bringing down the industry when the last contract at Southwest, United, and American have been “Delta plus one” and Delta is currently the highest base salary yearly seems like a stretch, eh?
ATLiens
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Shouldn’t union members be on the side of other work groups looking to unionize rather than help the company hide money/raises from them, eh?
Also- I made no assertions. I said I didn’t have details. I was speculating that delta has to have some reason for wanting to hide raises and you just answered why.
Also- I made no assertions. I said I didn’t have details. I was speculating that delta has to have some reason for wanting to hide raises and you just answered why.
WhoopWhoop pull up
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My little understanding of the TA (which I have seen) is that quality of life improvements are little if any, and on the compensation side they are playing catch up to the rest of the company’s raises not getting ahead for down the road.
I thought SWA had the highest base.
mrezee
Living the dream!
What percentage of the schedules are 4-4 10hr vs 5-4 8hr? I heard most of the 4-4 lines go pretty senior.
Hopefully the group holds out if it's truly subpar. The first SWA TA a few years ago was pathetic. Barely any improvement to pay, schedule, reserve rules, no retro pay and several nerfed work rules. It's hard to vote no and basically decline a pay raise until who knows when, but we did so and ended up with a massively-improved new TA.
A win for any dispatch workgroup is a win for all of us.
CoorsLight
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65% of shifts must be 10hrs. The 10hr guys are working 182 days before any vacation, holiday, etc. The 9hr guys are working 202.
To answer an earlier question, DL top of scale monthly base is about $100 higher than SWA as of June 1, 2025.
Kev
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This second half of your sentence is horsedoo, and you've been off the mark the whole thread. Stop it, please.
Pay increase is quite significant, though the avenues along which the pay is placed are several. They're not reflected within base pay.
Y'all, just wait for it to come out before getting into too much speculation, please. This discussion does absolutely nothing and is a tremendous waste of everyone's time.
We'll vote soon and when whatever agreement is passed is passed, we'll share. I can tell you that, as things stand in regard to compensation, our OAL union brethren and sistren would like the news and their management would likely not.
We good. Just hang on a bit.