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CoffeeIcePapers said:
Meh. I’ve been at two ALPA carriers before. One was good, the other not so much. The union is only as good as the membership and volunteers. I am indifferent at this point, but don’t really see how ALPA is worth the difference in dues.
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Due to the complete and utter lack of trip ownership and soft pay/rigs in AA's contract I make 2/3 of what someone at my same longevity and seat does at DL/UA and that's the bottom line. The dues would more than pay for themselves. I fly more straight time here than I did at my regional, its honestly unbelievable most days.

AA's pilot workforce is a complete bargain as a whole compared to UA/DL, full stop.
 
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Soku39 said:
Due to the complete and utter lack of trip ownership and soft pay/rigs in AA's contract I make 2/3 of what someone at my same longevity and seat does at DL/UA and that's the bottom line. The dues would more than pay for themselves.

AA's pilot workforce is a complete bargain as a whole compared to UA/DL, full stop.
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That may be true (I haven’t seen data to support this), but what evidence do you have that ALPA would fix this? Our membership voted in a clown like Sicher as president. Remember the Tumi TA at United?
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
That may be true (I haven’t seen data to support this), but what evidence do you have that ALPA would fix this? Our membership voted in a clown like Sicher as president. Remember the Tumi TA at United?
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I do remember Tumi, and I remember what happened with everyone involved afterward.

I have almost no hope for the membership. I honestly don't know if guys just don't have friends at other airlines, compare notes or ever mentally leave the DFW bubble thus thinking that what's happening at AA/APA is acceptable, but I would be encouraged that having ALPA's professionalism would at least partially get us on the right track for the next contract. I think this every single time I'm sweating my ass off and being elbowed in the middle seat in coach on a dead head, while DL and UA guys sit in first class, no upgrade listing and finger crossing required, rig 1 of 100 that we DON'T have, and that's just a small one.
 
Soku39 said:
I do remember Tumi, and I remember what happened with everyone involved afterward.

I have almost no hope for the membership. I honestly don't know if guys just don't have friends at other airlines, compare notes or ever mentally leave the DFW bubble thus thinking that what's happening at AA/APA is acceptable, but I would be encouraged that having ALPA's professionalism would at least partially get us on the right track for the next contract. I think this every single time I'm sweating my ass off and being elbowed in the middle seat in coach on a dead head, while DL and UA guys sit in first class, no upgrade listing and finger crossing required, rig 1 of 100 that we DON'T have, and that's just a small one.
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Have you volunteered to be on the negotiating committee?
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
Have you volunteered to be on the negotiating committee?
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Absolutely not, I have no hope for any progress under APA.

The one safety related committee that I did attempt to volunteer for, as I have extensive experience on that committee from a former airline, no one emailed me back.
 
Soku39 said:
I do remember Tumi, and I remember what happened with everyone involved afterward.

I have almost no hope for the membership. I honestly don't know if guys just don't have friends at other airlines, compare notes or ever mentally leave the DFW bubble thus thinking that what's happening at AA/APA is acceptable, but I would be encouraged that having ALPA's professionalism would at least partially get us on the right track for the next contract. I think this every single time I'm sweating my ass off and being elbowed in the middle seat in coach on a dead head, while DL and UA guys sit in first class, no upgrade listing and finger crossing required, rig 1 of 100 that we DON'T have, and that's just a small one.
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Remember, there is no world outside of American Airlines, Trinity Blvd and the United States Air Force. Nothing else beyond that realm exists. It's all fake.

Allied Pilots Association: Eating Our Young, Since 1963.
 
Kingairer said:
Some like to live in continual complain and fight mode. No matter what gains are achieved its never good enough and the cherry picked item is better at X to keep the cycle going. No matter the union name, this cycle will continue.
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I am not trying to argue, but the items I'm speaking about are not cherry picked, they are industry standard language that we lack and I'm simply not sure if people at AA realize this or not and it can be better.

I love my job, I have a great time, but let's be honest in that we work for 2/3 pay of UA/DL on the narrowbody.
 
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Soku39 said:
I am not trying to argue, but the items I'm speaking about are not cherry picked, they are industry standard language that we lack and I'm simply not sure if people at AA realize this or not and it can be better.

I love my job, I have a great time, but let's be honest in that we work for 2/3 pay of UA/DL on the narrowbody.
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everything you said I agree with except the pay disparity, not saying there isn't one, but my buddies at DL and UA in the same seat and almost same longevity, that don't pick up anything end up almost identical in take-home. anecdotal

and sometimes I'm ahead due to Reassignment pay which happens at least once a month.

no complaints here though...love my job
 
Soku39 said:
I am not trying to argue, but the items I'm speaking about are not cherry picked, they are industry standard language that we lack and I'm simply not sure if people at AA realize this or not and it can be better.

I love my job, I have a great time, but let's be honest in that we work for 2/3 pay of UA/DL on the narrowbody.
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I’m interested in ALPA, maybe we’d get a more honest comparison of pay/work rules under one roof.

Anecdotally, my experiences are closer to @CFIT99, despite @derg doubts. Certainly 2/3 pay seems hyperbolic to me.

Shrug
 
Kingairer said:
Some like to live in continual complain and fight mode. No matter what gains are achieved its never good enough and the cherry picked item is better at X to keep the cycle going. No matter the union name, this cycle will continue.
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Like I told a copilot one day that literally spent 20 minutes bitching to me about how superior his previous carrier’s crew computer system was:

“Yet you still came”
 
derg said:
Like I told a copilot one day that literally spent 20 minutes bitching to me about how superior his previous carrier’s crew computer system was:

“Yet you still came”
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it used to be a knee-slappin' good retort to say "you could go back; they're hiring!" but now that's not even true

Also, Mecca is in over its head tonight. 2.5 hours after calling in fatigued I got to a room that I had to source myself and Uber to but the computer still thinks I'm on my way to an outstation.
 
derg said:
Like I told a copilot one day that literally spent 20 minutes bitching to me about how superior his previous carrier’s crew computer system was:

“Yet you still came”
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Can't say that to my coworkers, nor tell them that our job is to mainly fly at night.

"That's not what my buddy said! I should be making 150+ credit hours a month to afford the $800,000 house I bought in Collierville on first-year pay!"
 
derg said:
Like I told a copilot one day that literally spent 20 minutes bitching to me about how superior his previous carrier’s crew computer system was:

“Yet you still came”
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And often it’s not really true. Sure, the front end is shiny, but more often than not the back end is still some creaky old mainframe grinding away in some cave in Oklahoma.

It does make me chuckle when newbs say “it’s like DOS!”, as if all computing began with that (and I’m assuming they’re talking about MSDOS).
 
Richman said:
And often it’s not really true. Sure, the front end is shiny, but more often than not the back end is still some creaky old mainframe grinding away in some cave in Oklahoma.

It does make me chuckle when newbs say “it’s like DOS!”, as if all computing began with that (and I’m assuming they’re talking about MSDOS).
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*Laughs in SABRE*
 
Richman said:
And often it’s not really true. Sure, the front end is shiny, but more often than not the back end is still some creaky old mainframe grinding away in some cave in Oklahoma.

It does make me chuckle when newbs say “it’s like DOS!”, as if all computing began with that (and I’m assuming they’re talking about MSDOS).
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Kid got a bare bones mp3 player for her bday. Turns out the best way to get the music she likes in normal mp3 format is to use a command line interface program to rip it off YouTube. I’m not sure if it made me feel old or young again
 
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