SWA vs UAL... FIGHT
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Screaming_Emu
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It really depends on the situation. Good weather, well rested, uncomplicated airspace, let’s do this. Flying with a new guy into weather, I’m gonna need the autopilot to help manage workload.
I find it weird that people think flying straight and level with no autopilot is a flex.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I guess asking for a 2000 foot block would defeat the purpose of RVSM.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
For some people, straight and level without an autopilot is big ask.
inigo88
Composite-lover
scooter2525
Very well Member
In the current type, it wouldn't be a flex, but it does require a little above average stick and rudder skills to keep it where you want it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Are we really arguing that it is hard to keep a modern jetliner straight and level?
I'd argue it's the constant need of adjusting and monitoring, therefore increasing workload during the entire cruise portion that makes it harder. Nothing to do with the actual skill itself.
I'd argue it's the constant need of adjusting and monitoring, therefore increasing workload during the entire cruise portion that makes it harder. Nothing to do with the actual skill itself.
I have flown a Gulfstream before with no A/P and we got clearance to climb through RVSM straight to FL430. Luckily it was a pretty short leg and we were light enough to do it but it was pretty straightforward.
One of my most memorable flights was back in my JSX days. OAK-BFI turn on the EMB-135 with deferred autopilot. Going up was an easy flight. On the way back we were going into weather, got 3 runway changes during the descent, and had to shoot an approach in IMC. We took turns handflying in cruise to allow each other a bit of break time. Both the CA and I were pretty senior at the time so it wasn't a big deal. We still keep in touch and talk about that trip to this day. He's at United now and also on the 757/767. While fun, we both agreed that's about the maximum we'd be willing to do in the future. 2h max legs and no more than 2 legs.
One of my most memorable flights was back in my JSX days. OAK-BFI turn on the EMB-135 with deferred autopilot. Going up was an easy flight. On the way back we were going into weather, got 3 runway changes during the descent, and had to shoot an approach in IMC. We took turns handflying in cruise to allow each other a bit of break time. Both the CA and I were pretty senior at the time so it wasn't a big deal. We still keep in touch and talk about that trip to this day. He's at United now and also on the 757/767. While fun, we both agreed that's about the maximum we'd be willing to do in the future. 2h max legs and no more than 2 legs.
Bruh, hold my camera for my Insta, Amma hand-fly!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I especially liked the guys on the Airbus posing in cruise flight with their hand on the AT levers and sidestick.
Bro, those ATs haven’t moved from their CL detent since 15 seconds after takeoff and won’t be moved again until 5 seconds before touchdown. You ain’t foolin anyone.
///AMG
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This is probably weird, but whenever the door is about to open in flight and I've got it, I always move my seat forward from the feet on the dash position, and put my hands on the throttles to look like I am flying to any prying eyes from the 1/2/3C/E seats. And then when I get my turn, I always say "G-DAAAAAAAYAAAAM WHO BLEW THIS THING UP?!!!!" at the top of my lungs from the lav. Sometimes it is a true statement as I try to avoid pissing on the • stains
as opposed to the 73, which put them into the 'climb detent' for you
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
...and then that's when the fight started...
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Back when the E145 was bleeding edge tech, and I was a fledgling FO, we had a deferred AP. As you and others are well aware, they are great hand-flying airplanes. Except. Except when the FA is walking quickly down the aisle with the cart. FML.
poser765
Well-Known Member
There are awkwardly a large number of working harder flexes that I just don’t understand. The guy flying 200 hours a year is a role model. The guy working 12s six days a week to be a man or whatever? I guess enjoy your big balls at work… me and my tiny nuts are going to enjoy our time at home living my own life.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
But at least they move. Our shop requires hands on throttles anytime they move (initial reduction to climb lower after takeoff, at level offs, starting descent, etc).
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I'm having so much fun reading our internal forum during the early PBS era.
Super senior guys crying about only 70 hours of flying an no extra trips to pick up.
Meanwhile I'm 4th from the bottom in base but I educated myself on PBS. I used PBS, vacation and "golden days off" to get 85hrs of credit and a line for 6 days at work for May. Used a similar strategy for June and I have almost 30 days off in a row. Right when Whistler bike park opens.
This is also the first year I get 21 days of vacation so I get to do it again in October. When Whistler bike park is closing.
All the while senior captains are claiming financial ruin because they can't spend 20+ days at work.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I’m glad it’s working out for you. But those complaints are legit. A guy with 23 yrs seniority in SEA couldn’t be awarded a max credit line to get 85-93 hrs, well that is kinda messed up.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Absolutely. We have so many guys who brag about how much OT they pick up. Honestly, a lot of the FOs I fly with make more money than I do. But I just woke up from a pretty amazing nap next to my wife and dogs on the couch and I’m right where I want to be. The job is fun and money is nice, but this is what life is about.