NovemberEcho
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Why? The amojnt of applicants isn’t an issue. Last hiring bid had almost 50k applicants. The Academy bottleneck is the issue. It can only get 1500-1700 students per year.
Drunk and asleep on the job, ATC pushed to limit
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Why? The amojnt of applicants isn’t an issue. Last hiring bid had almost 50k applicants. The Academy bottleneck is the issue. It can only get 1500-1700 students per year.
So is it the high washout rate then? I know several people who have gone to KOKC over the years (mostly UND grads who did the CTI program) and washed out. They moved on to other aviation jobs (scheduling,dispatch,ground ops management etc). Is the training too stringent? I’m not an SME on all things ATC so I’m genuinely curious. I get the whole budgetary aspect of it and maintaining cute graphs and KPIs,etc that the suits are all focused on.
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NovemberEcho
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Guess I edited too late to add on but it’s the academy that is the bottleneck. The FAA needs to open up more Academies and increase the amount of students to minimum 3-5k per year imo. The problem is getting enough people who are willing to be academy instructors too. Currently OKc has a shortage of instructors because no one wants to live in OKC. As for the washout rate, in my honest opinion it’s probably not high enough.
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Are the washout rates higher in the TRACONs? Do new trainees go directly to NY/LA approach or do they start at a class D tower?
NovemberEcho
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Generally, non prior-experienced hires (ots for off the street) go to either level 7 or below towers/up-downs or any center. For reference N90 is a level 12) At the towers I believe the ojt washout rate is around 40% and at centers it’s 50%.
For the last few years they’ve been sending them to N90 as well as a desperation move. Washout rate for ots is probsbly around 75% if not higher
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Yeah the hell with that says the guy who non-ironically lives in the upper Midwest.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Well, ok, but you get lots of tornados!
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I've always found it so fitting that the National Severe Storms Laboratory is in Norman, OK. They never have to go very far.
NovemberEcho
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I…I think that’s by design
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Oh, no doubt (but it is also good politics).
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Sure. I don't have any disagreement with the notion that controllers are getting royally shafted. Or that the system is a mess. I might even append that this situation is just one of the early examples of what will happen as the Administrative State is...well, I was going to say "systematically dismantled" by the Lunatics, but I think that gives them a bit too much credit. Let's say more like "violently strangled".
That said, tough poop, but you still can't drink on the job. *shrug*
scooter2525
Very well Member
That's comforting...
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Relax, it's a Big Sky!
Exactly. “Doctor, heal thyself.” Seems like actually reading a few of their handbooks and ACs would go a long way when ATC schedules would be illegal for most airline pilots and that kind of a training failure rate would get a flight school’s 141 pulled.
Roger Roger
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You’re just a commie libtard who doesn’t understand that they’re saving us from the tyranny of those pesky experts and civil servants, just gotta get the whole government running like a business and everything will be hunky dory!
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
You're a monster!!!!
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Well, I mean, full disclosure. I'm sort of sympathetic to the *notion* of reducing waste and bureaucracy in the Federal System (or whatever). It's not like we haven't seen what happens when totally unaccountable Government runs wild, and it can be not just annoying, but bankrupting. And, perhaps more importantly, it can also become a sort of entrenched, Mandarin, repressive, self-perpetuating nightmare.
But we aren't there.
I'm 100% in favor of rational reform of the Civil Service, and I actually agree with the Loons *in the abstract*, in that I do agree that without a careful, rapacious eye on just exactly what they're up to, entrenched bureaucracies can become wasteful to the degree that it threatens the social order, etc. Don't have to look too far to see examples of this happening.
But throwing a grenade in to the room and expecting it to just sort of somehow "all work out" is lunacy. Just defunding a critical part of the nation's infrastructure and chanting "do more with less!" isn't reform, it's a blueprint for disaster.
As we are seeing with the ATC system.
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
Manufactured problem, the system has been too efficient and crony capitalists aren't making any money off of it.
Solution? Strangle the controller corps to death until something gives, sell it off to lockheed martin so they can do to it what they did to flight service.
Solution? Strangle the controller corps to death until something gives, sell it off to lockheed martin so they can do to it what they did to flight service.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I guess I missed the part where being overworked excused you for showing up drunk or smoking weed on breaks.