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phill1174 said:
I hope you’re right, I think you’re right honestly. I’m interested to see how things shape up during Q1 2024. Our peak schedules are bizarre, at least in ONT. A lot of one leg and 20hr layovers and 50-60hr layovers also. Seems like they’re spreading reduced flying over the amount of people we got.
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Can I have my old job back? I would have hung on a couple more years had it been like that. Then taken the VTP...hehe.
 
Dacuj said:
With the recent developments of UPS and FedEx reducing their pilot numbers along with Spirit stopping hiring for the near future, it’s time to look at Envoy and what it offers in terms of flow to American Airlines. I’ve said this before and I’m saying it again now. If you had just listened and gotten your foot in the door a while back when I was noting the benefits of working at Envoy and the fast flow to AA, you would be so much closer to that AA seat.

Good news. American has huge retirement numbers and Envoy is going to be hiring and flowing like crazy over the next few years. If you’re FedEx, UPS or Spirit, I would seriously give Envoy a look. You don’t want to be on the outside looking in when the music stops. It’s happened many times in the past and will happen again. Fortunately, American is the best positioned to weather the storm and a secure comfy seat in a 73, Bus, Triple or 78 is where you want to be. Captain upgrades are dropping like a rock at AA which means when you flow, your right seat time will be short. Being wholly owned by American is like buying a rock solid insurance policy. You’ll have NN tailed airplanes to fly in a pure 175 fleet, matching uniforms to AA, Jetnet, DECS and everything else AA has to offer.

Envoy is recruiting now and they are looking for only experienced aviators with solid resumes.
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Ok, can you say all that again, but this time, around a campfire?
 
Dacuj said:
With the recent developments of UPS and FedEx reducing their pilot numbers along with Spirit stopping hiring for the near future, it’s time to look at Envoy and what it offers in terms of flow to American Airlines. I’ve said this before and I’m saying it again now. If you had just listened and gotten your foot in the door a while back when I was noting the benefits of working at Envoy and the fast flow to AA, you would be so much closer to that AA seat.

Good news. American has huge retirement numbers and Envoy is going to be hiring and flowing like crazy over the next few years. If you’re FedEx, UPS or Spirit, I would seriously give Envoy a look. You don’t want to be on the outside looking in when the music stops. It’s happened many times in the past and will happen again. Fortunately, American is the best positioned to weather the storm and a secure comfy seat in a 73, Bus, Triple or 78 is where you want to be. Captain upgrades are dropping like a rock at AA which means when you flow, your right seat time will be short. Being wholly owned by American is like buying a rock solid insurance policy. You’ll have NN tailed airplanes to fly in a pure 175 fleet, matching uniforms to AA, Jetnet, DECS and everything else AA has to offer.

Envoy is recruiting now and they are looking for only experienced aviators with solid resumes.
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If you were a recruiter for my airline, I'd probably have your urine tested and beg you to go eat a candy bar to make sure your blood sugar is ok.
 
DE727UPS said:
Can I have my old job back? I would have hung on a couple more years had it been like that. Then taken the VTP...hehe.
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🤣 It’s nice no doubt. A lot of 50hr layovers in Miami. This peak will probably be easier than any other bid period this year.
 
DECS as a selling point is grade A satire, I love it!

Also I can’t believe they’re still using that mess.
 
derg said:
If you were a recruiter for my airline, I'd probably have your urine tested and beg you to go eat a candy bar to make sure your blood sugar is ok.
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When you are invited to interview for a recruiting position, it's easy to separate the wheat from the chaff. I've sat in on many interviews with line pilots who applied for recruiting positions and it's blatantly obvious those that are just "saying the right things" vs those who you can tell who are really excited about bringing in the best and the brightest of the next generation. I've nixed more than one interviewee in the past. One in particular comes to mind, a fellow who was totally against the cadet program. He thought it was a better fit to find someone who had flown 135, corporate or 91 before considering a highly qualified 1500 hour, aviation UNIVERSITY EDUCATED cadet. I think we've proven those hires were some of the best Envoy has ever seen. All that to say, a true airline recruiter is hard to find. The guys and gals who love the nuts and bolts of the process and are willing to adapt and change with the times.
 
Dacuj said:
When you are invited to interview for a recruiting position, it's easy to separate the wheat from the chaff. I've sat in on many interviews with line pilots who applied for recruiting positions and it's blatantly obvious those that are just "saying the right things" vs those who you can tell who are really excited about bringing in the best and the brightest of the next generation. I've nixed more than one interviewee in the past. One in particular comes to mind, a fellow who was totally against the cadet program. He thought it was a better fit to find someone who had flown 135, corporate or 91 before considering a highly qualified 1500 hour, aviation UNIVERSITY EDUCATED cadet. I think we've proven those hires were some of the best Envoy has ever seen. All that to say, a true airline recruiter is hard to find. The guys and gals who love the nuts and bolts of the process and are willing to adapt and change with the times.
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I actually never interviewed for most roles I've taken on various projects. I've been around for a long time so people generally seek me out for things. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but that's how it goes.
 
derg said:
I actually never interviewed for most roles I've taken on various projects. I've been around for a long time so people generally seek me out for things. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but that's how it goes.
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And another difference is you are a real person while the person you are replying to is fake.

You know I love you like a brother from a darker mother, but I’ll never understand why you don’t give obvious trolls the boot. 🥾
 
Dacuj said:
I've sat in on many interviews with line pilots who applied for recruiting positions and it's blatantly obvious those that are just "saying the right things" vs those who you can tell who are really excited about bringing in the best and the brightest of the next generation.
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I feel like you fall into the first part. Blowing smoke up people's butts definitely falls under "saying the right things" in a recruiting role.

We have entered a point where anyone that wants to go to AA will likely get there quicker via a FFD carrier rather than a WO carrier. Airlines don't like poaching from their own feed. We have seen this with CJO limits placed on WO carriers from AA and Delta.
 
Ian_J said:
And another difference is you are a real person while the person you are replying to is fake.

You know I love you like a brother from a darker mother, but I’ll never understand why you don’t give obvious trolls the boot. 🥾
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I hope Dacuj doesn't get banned, his threads are always the most entertaining threads on here. Unlike many trolls he's actually relatively clever and creative.
 
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