Including but not limited to murder... 'cause murder is in the bible.

Good. This BS has gone too far. And far too many people are trying to get people identified and fired from their jobs for online BS.

In one recent case, a guy was cancelled for merely clicking “Like” on a post. Didn’t author it. Didn’t create it. Didn’t draw it. Merely clicked “like.” Done, cancelled.
 
I'll agree with you here lol. This girl I know in the Philippines is an exec at some company and they actually have people who monitor the "social behavior" of the high-level management at her company to make sure they aren't out going crazy at clubs or drinking in plain site at bars or out doing public displays of affection etc. She recently showed up at 4AM for some really cool aviation event and had to go home because they said she'd have to take her mask off and she said she'd get in trouble for appearing at public events without the permission of her company since she's "a face of the company". And she makes like $30k in USD lol, which I know is more with the Philippine Peso exchange rate but still just wild. She claims the US offices have similar practices at her company as one of the founders was voted out because he was photographed leaving a strip club and they have "conservative investors". I can't imagine being told you're the face of some company and they control the activities you do outside of work to that level. I get if you're Ja Morant bathing in money and flashing a gun with a stripper twerking in your face and you are the face of an NBA franchise, you're gonna have a bad time. But just evidence that you've visited a strip club getting you kicked off the board of your own company? I'm sorry, I thought this was America.

Being a pilot is a cool compromise because while you have to maintain a cleanish driving and criminal record to earn those wages, you can be a pot-bellied miserable person with a giant raised truck that rolls coal with 8-foot political flags waiving off of it and pass out in your own filth on your days off then go and command a 777 and go on several hour rants to your F/Os about A-list actors abducting children in their spare time. I don't agree with that particular personality, but that's what America is supposed to be. In theory.
 
What were the repercussions of being “cancelled”? In this story I’d imagine the personal messages was a big part of what got this person in trouble initially.
 
ChasenSFO said:
I'll agree with you here lol. This girl I know in the Philippines is an exec at some company and they actually have people who monitor the "social behavior" of the high-level management at her company to make sure they aren't out going crazy at clubs or drinking in plain site at bars or out doing public displays of affection etc. She recently showed up at 4AM for some really cool aviation event and had to go home because they said she'd have to take her mask off and she said she'd get in trouble for appearing at public events without the permission of her company since she's "a face of the company". And she makes like $30k in USD lol, which I know is more with the Philippine Peso exchange rate but still just wild. She claims the US offices have similar practices at her company as one of the founders was voted out because he was photographed leaving a strip club and they have "conservative investors". I can't imagine being told you're the face of some company and they control the activities you do outside of work to that level. I get if you're Ja Morant bathing in money and flashing a gun with a stripper twerking in your face and you are the face of an NBA franchise, you're gonna have a bad time. But just evidence that you've visited a strip club getting you kicked off the board of your own company? I'm sorry, I thought this was America.

Being a pilot is a cool compromise because while you have to maintain a cleanish driving and criminal record to earn those wages, you can be a pot-bellied miserable person with a giant raised truck that rolls coal with 8-foot political flags waiving off of it and pass out in your own filth on your days off then go and command a 777 and go on several hour rants to your F/Os about A-list actors abducting children in their spare time. I don't agree with that particular personality, but that's what America is supposed to be. In theory.
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It’s a heavy NO on this part for me.
 
I had the absolute worst airline experience of my life yesterday with a certain Toronto based carrier. If I were a civilian, I would have gone to LinkedIN and posted some diatribe about it under the banner of "we as an industry could do better" and my many connections at that carrier would have seen it. Except I'm an airline/airport consultant, and my company would absolutely come down on me had I done that - as they should.
Free speech - only applies to interactions between a person and a state agency. Pretty simple.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
In one recent case, a guy was cancelled for merely clicking “Like” on a post. Didn’t author it. Didn’t create it. Didn’t draw it. Merely clicked “like.” Done, cancelled.
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So we’re clear…you’d be ok with your chief pilot publicly “liking” a virulently anti-Muslim post on social media?

Because all they would be doing is merely clicking “like”.
 
Got to peel the onion back a few layers on this one. When you do you will find the genesis of this is a lawsuit funded buy the national right to work legal defense foundation. Now the TWU 556 is an easy target these days with how inept they are and I'm loathe to defend any business but this has other motives that loom larger.

www.nrtw.org

Flight Attendant Triumphs Over TWU Union and Southwest in Suit About Illegal Firing; Jury Awards $5.1 Million in Damages

DALLAS, TX - Southwest Airlines flight attendant Charlene Carter has just prevailed in her federal lawsuit in which she charged the Transportation Workers Union of America (TWU) Local 556 union and Southwest for illegally firing her for her religious opposition to abortion.
www.nrtw.org
 
Uh huh.
Starr held senior positions in the Texas attorney general's office for several years before Trump nominated him for the federal bench. The Senate confirmed his nomination 51-39, voting along party lines in the then-GOP-controlled body. He is a member of the conservative legal group the Federalist Society.
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Alright, so when this gets smacked sideways by a higher court, we'll all feign surprise, I suppose.
 
zmiller4 said:
So we’re clear…you’d be ok with your chief pilot publicly “liking” a virulently anti-Muslim post on social media?

Because all they would be doing is merely clicking “like”.
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In his own time from home? Sure.


On company property, using company time, and company computers, and trying to influence company employees? No.



See the fine line?

I couldn't GAF what someone does on their off time. As long as they are 100% professionals at work and treat others how they would like to be treated, I have zero problems with it.
 
And lets not pretend that the line has been crossed when it comes to politics and personal opinions and the workplace. No matter which way you slice it, BLM and Pride are political movements. *Especially* BLM. I won't even get into their founders and top management - that's for a whole another thread.

But most airlines in this country allow - and even encourage - employees to wear BLM or Pride ties and pins. It's socially acceptable at WORK for others to show their political beliefs right on their clothing as part of their work uniform, on company time, in front of un-suspecting paying customers. How is that ok? It's ok because society has deemed what political position is "acceptable."

No one would fire me if I wore a BLM and pride pin, and a rainbow colored tie at work and flew planes. How much trouble do you think I'd be in if I wore a pro-life pin and had a sticker on my bag that said "abortion is wrong!" Or had MAGA stickers or a pin?


I fully expect to be called in for it, for having "offended" another employee.


I wouldn't dare wear ANYTHING political to work - and believe me - I have plenty of opinions. But I am a dying breed who believes your workplace is your workplace, not a place for you to personally display your political and social leaning garbage. That is only for your own personal life.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
And lets not pretend that the line has been crossed when it comes to politics and personal opinions and the workplace. No matter which way you slice it, BLM and Pride are political movements. *Especially* BLM. I won't even get into their founders and top management - that's for a whole another thread.

But most airlines in this country allow - and even encourage - employees to wear BLM or Pride ties and pins. It's socially acceptable at WORK for others to show their political beliefs right on their clothing as part of their work uniform, on company time, in front of un-suspecting paying customers. How is that ok? It's ok because society has deemed what political position is "acceptable."

No one would fire me if I wore a BLM and pride pin, and a rainbow colored tie at work and flew planes. How much trouble do you think I'd be in if I wore a pro-life pin and had a sticker on my bag that said "abortion is wrong!" Or had MAGA stickers or a pin?


I fully expect to be called in for it, for having "offended" another employee.


I wouldn't dare wear ANYTHING political to work - and believe me - I have plenty of opinions. But I am a dying breed who believes your workplace is your workplace, not a place for you to personally display your political and social leaning garbage. That is only for your own personal life.
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Are BLM and pride really political movements? Or did some folks dub BLM and pride as political movements to avoid addressing the issues?
 
phill1174 said:
Are BLM and pride really political movements? Or did some folks dub BLM and pride as political movements to avoid addressing the issues?
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Yes, they are political movements. Anytime you reach out to the public to sway opinions AND reach out to politicians to do the same, it becomes a political movement.
 
zmiller4 said:
So if your CP likes a post saying “all towel headed camel jockeys should be put to death”, you’re good with it if it’s on their own time.
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Social media BS? I wouldn't care. Just don't act on it and treat me unfairly at work. I got no problem. I won't be friends with you - but then again, I slam click anyway so it's not like we're gonna be hanging out.
 
zmiller4 said:
So if your CP likes a post saying “all towel headed camel jockeys should be put to death”, you’re good with it if it’s on their own time.
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Would I be good with it, no. Would I act upon it, no.

Without evidence to the contrary, I assume folks might have some horrible ideologies.

If you are able to keep your horrible ideology out of the workplace, I don’t care what you believe and would probably defend your ability to continue to pursue your livelihood.

We find it pretty easy to work with some nutty folks that really like a book. Let’s be consistent.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Would I be good with it, no. Would I act upon it, no.

Without evidence to the contrary, I assume folks might have some horrible ideologies.

If you are able to keep your horrible ideology out of the workplace, I don’t care what you believe and would probably defend your ability to continue to pursue your livelihood.

We find it pretty easy to work with some nutty folks that really like a book. Let’s be consistent.
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Exactly, I'm the same way. I don't care what post you like in the comfort of your own home. As long as you aren't doing it at work, in work clothing. Lets face it, employers don't know either. It isn't until some doxxing event done by the idiots on social media and their witch trials to people get fired.
 
Maurus said:
This is a major red flag. You don't send people to train at a group that takes "religious freedom" to an extreme. The judge is messed up.
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Thank you for kinda bringing this thread back on point.

We vainly spent a huge percentage of our nation's fortune to pursue religious extremists +5000 nm away. Yet, neither then nor now, a good passel of us can't even recognize those very self-same extremists when they live just next door. It's the Coke/Pepsi conundrum: "I love my Coke extremism. It's the Pepsi extremism that gores my ox."

Religious extremists will never be overcome with kinetic weapons. They will be conquered only with the pen of Reason.

Also, the first step in overcoming a problem is to recognize that you HAVE a problem.
 
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