ATC is in the separation and clearance business, not in the crew briefing business.Fair enough. If it is not possible for airline crews to actually pre-brief more than one take off runway at a time, then instead of us debating this here, I think the airline unions should get on this with the FAA, render this request unavailable to ATC, and allow all the airline pilots to live happily ever after with phat stacks.
As an aside, when they sneak stuff like this into the, er, "remarks" section of an ATIS, does that render this information an instruction, an advisory, or a NOTAM?
Please advise link to previous answer. Sorry I missed it.
You can probably Google it, I’m sure the index bots have digested the site map
Speaking of which, why did you kill jetcareers, the main page?![]()
“We said caution, birds in vicinity! The airport authority has no obligation for bird mitigation now!”.
"The Board finds the causal factor to be the crew's inattention to the 18th unlit tower. However the Board would like to posthumously commend them on avoiding the first 17 unlit towers, birds in the vicinity, and reading the FDC notams"
Jealous. I’ll be there in June.@Cherokee_Cruiser, @form810 - this is why I’m disinterested in hypothetical debates and repeating points I’ve already made.
Seoul, at the moment:
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Oh and my copilot is a guy who cut his teeth under @steveC’s tutelage and is easily one of my top five copilots.
You always know where the bodies are buried!Found it!
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@Cherokee_Cruiser, @form810 - this is why I’m disinterested in hypothetical debates and repeating points I’ve already made.
Seoul, at the moment:
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Oh and my copilot is a guy who cut his teeth under @SteveC 's tutelage and is easily one of my top five copilots.
This absolutely makes my day!...
Oh and my copilot is a guy who cut his teeth under @SteveC 's tutelage and is easily one of my top five copilots.
And it all stems from 10 years ago when CC couldn’t get an interview at Delta. Now this is his life ambition - to defame Delta.12 pages of discussion about an event that didn't result in a mishap or accident and we're back to the Delta application process....
Yeah, go ahead and try to tell us that you're still not thinking about the one you never had.
Your weekly affirmation that you shouldn’t go to DL.Bottom of 15,000 were over half were hired since Jan 2014 with an avg age of 37 and don’t even have 10 yrs yet? No thanks. It’s a simple seniority equation and it just doesn’t make sense to.
Yeah, I agree. That's precisely what I was intimating.ATC is in the separation and clearance business, not in the crew briefing business.
The same information, presented as background info is great, advising us what we should brief is problematic. This example seems rather benign but it could get worse. ATC could tell us to brief hazards and then do a “told you so” if their instructions assume retained knowledge of the described hazards and become abbreviated or incomplete.
Nice! Probably the Kloud talking, but I'm almost certain you meant to say "uninterested".@Cherokee_Cruiser, @form810 - this is why I’m disinterested in hypothetical debates and repeating points I’ve already made.
Seoul, at the moment:
Oh and my copilot is a guy who cut his teeth under @SteveC 's tutelage and is easily one of my top five copilots.
Just because something did NOT result in an incident or accident does not necessarily render that something innocuous or unimportant to examine. Lots of obviously bad stuff happens daily, with limited material effect on proximate outcomes, or even notice by the perpetrator or the perpetrator's management or any regulatory overseer. Unexamined and unmitigated, that bad stuff eventually leads to the cultural normalization that eventually leads to the disaster that ratchets up the suck and the regs and the pain for everyone. If the Fed had better regulated before the bank failure... If the FAA had better regulated before Colgan... Etc., etc.
Nice! Probably the Kloud talking, but I'm almost certain you meant to say "uninterested".![]()