Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
That's a very good rationale. But that's not what you asked, nor is it the crux of my question. You asked who the three no votes were from. That is just you, being you. AKA nosey.
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That's a very good rationale. But that's not what you asked, nor is it the crux of my question. You asked who the three no votes were from. That is just you, being you. AKA nosey.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And you GAF because…?
See I can play that game too. I don’t because it’s moronic to do that. I don’t ask why someone else asks a question about something. Their curiosity, their choice.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I could totally see your interest in DL's contract in the interest of collective bargaining. I asked Bob about Hawaiian's TA regarding first year pay, because that's been a hang up in the past related to his shop.
But you asked another Delta pilot not about contract specifics, but about who on the MEC voted no. That's a pretty specific question. So I had to wonder why you'd ask that? What exactly you'd get out of knowing that? Also why you'd think he'd actually give you specifics about proprietary voting info related to his shop? The obvious answer is that you love to pry into other shops business. You like being the fly on the wall. I just really think its weird and kinda, well creepy honestly.
BEEF SUPREME
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He's going to look them up and stalk them online.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Honestly. Why do you care why he cares? Your hard on for him is ridiculous. I’ve met him. He’s not your type, Bro!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Because at the airlines, sometimes you get different dynamics between bases. Eg, SEA and ANC vote yes but PDX and LAX vote no, but SEA rules because it’s block seniority (one of the few airlines still doing that!) so the bigger the base, the more power. Delta is just rep votes, I believe, as opposed to block seniority for Reps. So it’s a different dynamic. So when 3 go and vote no, very commonly it seems all3 belonged to one base. It colors a certain picture of a struggle and alignment of views for the airline pilots and their reps. That’s why you hear some guys say something like “Seattle voted no.”
Anyway. Long way of saying, just curious if all 3 were one base reps as opposed to 3 separate spread out from different bases. You are right, it doesn’t affect me. I just hope it passes. I would also like JetBlue to pass, and then AA, UA, and SW. All before Sept 1. PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!!
///AMG
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What base do you think would be best at a whale hunt? None have any corporate knowledge, I don't think (though maybe PDX, since Oregonians blasted a beached whale to the moon about 60 years ago with dynamite). This seems to be the only way we can really level the playing field. 5 teams assemble representing each base, and enter the Salish sea in the spring time in dry suits. Dirty tricks are of course encouraged, like murder. The fall/winter prior can be devoted to hand crafting the best weapons for the hunt.
I was at the ALPA PUB event last night. Zero idea or talk of who the "3" were and zero interest from anyone I talked to.
It's the standard airline pilot thing.
Pilot in big group: "I don't like X Y and Z. I'm voting no"
Same pilot walking back to the hotel, one-on-one when he noticed you were standing there, completely indifferent to what he said earlier: "I really like some of the provisions and the coup de grace was extending the retro pay, I kinda like it".
Rinse… repeat. Contract after contract.
It's the standard airline pilot thing.
Pilot in big group: "I don't like X Y and Z. I'm voting no"
Same pilot walking back to the hotel, one-on-one when he noticed you were standing there, completely indifferent to what he said earlier: "I really like some of the provisions and the coup de grace was extending the retro pay, I kinda like it".
Rinse… repeat. Contract after contract.
I think it was you that used to say a contract will pass with 80%, but out on the line you can’t find a single “yes” voter! LOL!
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
Union politics are tempestuous and exhausting. I’m very happy to be a casual dues paying member, maybe put some committee work in. But do the LEC thing? Hard. Pass.
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
I always loved this cartoon:
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I'm personally curious because, from what I understand, the vote to authorize the AIP was 9-8 (this could be inaccurate) and the TA passed 14-3. Reading the various LEC updates on the AIP sure made it sound like there was a good split on the decisions leading to the AIP. I'm curious why votes changed and if any initial "yes" votes turned into one of the "no" votes.
I honestly think such information could help with making a decision. It could also just be drama. I imagine future LEC communications will elucidate further on the vote.
I remember the days of “never accept the company’s first offer!” And “burn this MF place to the ground!!!!!”
One of the same people that bitched about never being able to hold a widebody captain seat meanwhile, some six-month guy just got awarded ER captain here. Hell even I'm holding a line on the 350 and way junior to this dude.
CFIT99
I'm probably commenting ironically...
yup my buddy just got awarded 76CA in new york,(he's been there 15 months) his dad (who has 4 years left is a 73 CA) is wondering if he should make the move....
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Pilots ask these questions all the time. The only reason it's being called into question here is because @Cherokee_Cruiser is the one who asked, and some people here nut their polyester khakis whenever they get an opportunity to drag him.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I don't know what group this is referring to. There is a mixed 757/767 group which arguably can't be considered an outright widebody group. But then there's a 767-400ER group which apparently flies solely that, they don't fly 757s. I guess that's a widebody group.
I'll let the cool cats argue what's a widebody vs what's not. No skin in that game.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
It was more or less a joke. But Delta in their current TA, I believe doesn't consider the 763 to be a widebody anymore.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Does their TA outlaw the ridiculous nomenclature? Like 7ERA 