JetBlue hires violent felon as a pilot

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Truth hurts some folks.

Contractors would hire an axe murderer if they could hang drywall.

So in your ideal world, a surgeon convicted of a felony who served his time would have to spend the rest of his days hanging drywall? Yeah, sorry, but this is how you make recidivism worse.

Shouldn’t all convicted pedophiles that have “paid their dues to the court and moved on” be welcomed in all employment settings?

Why the pushback?

Pedophile isn‘t a conviction. What’s the actual charge? Because a whole lot of people are on sex offender registries who didn’t do much of anything. Pee in the bushes and get caught and suddenly you’re on a registry forever because you exposed yourself in public.

As far as actual child rapists, usually these penalties are life in prison or so many years that it may as well be for life, so it’s basically a moot point.

 

[Wardogg]

As far as actual child rapists, usually these penalties are life in prison or so many years that it may as well be for life, so it’s basically a moot point.

What about potential/probable child rapists? I am privy to a case where the individual was busted in a sting of sorts. Think Chris Hansen style. He showed up to the "meeting" only to find himself in the back of a police car. He has since pleaded guilty and admitted that had the "meeting" gone as plan he would have attempted to have sex with the child, the sentencing is forthcoming. Last I read I believe he was looking at 10 years. Now, had he actually been able to go through with the act you are saying he would(should) have received a longer sentencing. But only due to intervention by law enforcement he was not able to complete the act. Why does the law treat the sentencing different?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

What about potential/probable child rapists? I am privy to a case where the individual was busted in a sting of sorts. Think Chris Hansen style. He showed up to the "meeting" only to find himself in the back of a police car. He has since pleaded guilty and admitted that had the "meeting" gone as plan he would have attempted to have sex with the child, the sentencing is forthcoming. Last I read I believe he was looking at 10 years. Now, had he actually been able to go through with the act you are saying he would(should) have received a longer sentencing. But only due to intervention by law enforcement he was not able to complete the act. Why does the law treat the sentencing different?

The law always treats attempted crimes differently than actual crimes.

 

[MFT1Air]

You can recieve a smoke-free room and it'll still reek of pot if someone hit the dank nuggs rooms away. It's the worst.

Agreed. . .and I've had them "comp" a portion if not my whole bill because of my "inconvenience." Forces the cleaning staff to be more diligent.

 

[Wardogg]

The law always treats attempted crimes differently than actual crimes.

Ok.

But he is the same person that would have raped given the opportunity. So he gets out in 10 years, now what? You said that they are usually given life sentences so the point was moot. In this case it is not moot. He should have received a life sentence, but did not. Agreed?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Ok.

But he is the same person that would have raped given the opportunity. So he gets out in 10 years, now what? You said that they are usually given life sentences so the point was moot. In this case it is not moot. He should have received a life sentence, but did not. Agreed?

Not agreed. At all. Again, the law treats attempted crimes differently than actual crimes, and for good reason. You essentially claim to be able to see into the future in a counterfactual, which is delusional. Would he have raped? Possibly. It’s also possible he would have had second thoughts and walked away.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

What about potential/probable child rapists? I am privy to a case where the individual was busted in a sting of sorts. Think Chris Hansen style. He showed up to the "meeting" only to find himself in the back of a police car. He has since pleaded guilty and admitted that had the "meeting" gone as plan he would have attempted to have sex with the child, the sentencing is forthcoming. Last I read I believe he was looking at 10 years. Now, had he actually been able to go through with the act you are saying he would(should) have received a longer sentencing. But only due to intervention by law enforcement he was not able to complete the act. Why does the law treat the sentencing different?

In those cases the pederast was entrapped and sent nudes to an aledged minor. Also they sent sexually suggestive language to the decoy.

 

[MFT1Air]

I didn’t change that much. After all, I quoted you. I didn’t pick your words.

In several posts, I suggested something other than a binary approach, emphasizing that the nature of a crime and recidivism matters in the risk management matrix.

You suggested something more static than a binary question, it sounded like your “paid his dues and moved on” was pretty absolute. If you shift gears when I change the crime you are giving up on the only point you made.

No, don’t change my question, just answer in a manner that is consistent with your previous post.

You question why there is pushback. The answer is multi-faceted. In general, we can’t totally ignore the risks associated with recidivism.

In this case, I think that few of us fear recidivism as much as being concerned about his behavior on the job and in the cockpit. I’d be more willing to accept the missteps of youth but this guy committed his violent crimes well into adulthood, he was a Captain in the Air Force. He barely escaped attempted murder charges that could have delivered a life sentence.

I understand. I suppose if you're empathizing with the female victim or the victim's father, one would feel that way. After all, victims of violent crimes usually feel that way. Where the confusion lies is, because you're concerned with recidivism, you're saying what? He can't work anymore? Because YOU are not comfortable with his past indiscretion <which he was punished>, you don't believe he's been rehabbed?

In the military, there's this nonjudicial action called an Article 15. One "CAN" receive this type of punishment for a violent crime and NOT be considered a convicted "felon." You're saying you're concerned with recidivism? OK. Sorry you feel that way.

 

[Wardogg]

Not agreed. At all. Again, the law treats attempted crimes differently than actual crimes, and for good reason. You essentially claim to be able to see into the future in a counterfactual, which is delusional. Would he have raped? Possibly. It’s also possible he would have had second thoughts and walked away.

Well in his admission guilt, he seems to make clear that wasn't going to be the case. I guess I never really thought about the attempted murder vs murder charge until right now.

I just pulled up his guilty plea: "did knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce a minor...."

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I'm all for a person being able to pay a debt to society and be free of that debt upon release. On the other hand the person I speak of above deserves to never be let out of prison. Just because he was caught prior to and the actual act did not occur should not absolve him from what would have happened to him if he got caught after the act. By his own admission.

In those cases the pederast was entrapped and sent nudes to an aledged minor. Also they sent sexually suggestive language to the decoy.

Thanks for making me look that up. This particular case is an adult male to minor female. Also nothing in the case files suggest there was any pictures exchanged. It was all just about the text messages arranging the meeting itself.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Well in his admission guilt, he seems to make clear that wasn't going to be the case. I guess I never really thought about the attempted murder vs murder charge until right now.

I just pulled up his guilty plea: "did knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce a minor...."

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I'm all for a person being able to pay a debt to society and be free of that debt upon release. On the other hand the person I speak of above deserves to never be let out of prison. Just because he was caught prior to and the actual act did not occur should not absolve him from what would have happened to him if he got caught after the act. By his own admission.

Another thing to keep in mind is that a confession doesn’t necessarily mean much. In many cases, defense counsel will recommend a confession as part of a plea deal in order to get a shorter sentence. The prosecutor will agree to it in order to get the guaranteed conviction rather than risking a trial. This is all a game of legal strategy. A confession isn’t always a real confession.

 

[derg]

Another thing to keep in mind is that a confession doesn’t necessarily mean much. In many cases, defense counsel will recommend a confession as part of a plea deal in order to get a shorter sentence. The prosecutor will agree to it in order to get the guaranteed conviction rather than risking a trial. This is all a game of legal strategy. A confession isn’t always a real confession.

Unfortunately this is true.

”We have a deal, if you just plead guilty, they’ll call it time served. If it goes to a jury, man, it doesn’t look good for you”.

 

[Roger Roger]

always relevant when discussing weed smell

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Unfortunately this is true.

”We have a deal, if you just plead guilty, they’ll call it time served. If it goes to a jury, man, it doesn’t look good for you”.

What really sucks is that a guilty confession alone isn’t enough. The judge will want a statement on the record describing the crime, so the defendant is then left to basically lie in order to secure his plea deal.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Thanks for making me look that up. This particular case is an adult male to minor female. Also nothing in the case files suggest there was any pictures exchanged. It was all just about the text messages arranging the meeting itself.

I was being general. As you mentioned those Chris Hanson: To Catch A Predator. In most of those cases the perp exchanged graphic text messages and or pictures, or both.

I know in my current field we will from time to time, have a tech, or nurse. Who exchanges phone numbers, or social media info. Or both, with a minor. Even just exchanging phone numbers is illegal, even if it's an adult. Because they're a vulnerable population. Of course it goes without saying that an adult shouldn't be trading info with a minor. But it often happens.

 

[MikeD]

I was being general. As you mentioned those Chris Hanson: To Catch A Predator. In most of those cases the perp exchanged graphic text messages and or pictures, or both.

I know in my current field we will from time to time, have a tech, or nurse. Who exchanges phone numbers, or social media info. Or both, with a minor. Even just exchanging phone numbers is illegal, even if it's an adult. Because they're a vulnerable population. Of course it goes without saying that an adult shouldn't be trading info with a minor. But it often happens.

In a related question, these school teachers …..usually female and usually very good looking and could probably get any adult date they wanted….who sleep with their students and get busted and prosecuted. What is their usual issue going on upstairs? Power? Control? Crazy in love? To make such a knowingly bad judgement call? All of these teachers know exactly that what they are doing is wrong, as they admit same, yet they do it anyway, probably knowing that they will likely get caught too. Makes little sense.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

In a related question, these school teachers …..usually female and usually very good looking and could probably get any adult date they wanted….who sleep with their students and get busted and prosecuted. What is their usual issue going on upstairs? Power? Control? Crazy in love? To make such a knowingly bad judgement call? All of these teachers know exactly that what they are doing is wrong, as they admit same, yet they do it anyway, probably knowing that they will likely get caught too. Makes little sense.

Rape is usually always about power and control. A teacher is in a position of power over a child. There could be other factors involved as well. Such as they were once abused and are repeating the cycle of abuse. But typically at the foundation, it's about power and control.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Ok.

But he is the same person that would have raped given the opportunity. So he gets out in 10 years, now what? You said that they are usually given life sentences so the point was moot. In this case it is not moot. He should have received a life sentence, but did not. Agreed?

Speaking of rape, thousands of child rapists and abusers are being let out of prison early. Some less than a year.

Okay to be an airline pilot?


Thanks to CA voters who passed Prop 57 and to woke DAs who are soft on crime.

Thousands of pedophiles in California getting less than a year in jail

An analysis of a California sex offenders database shows thousands of child molesters are being let out of prison after just a few months.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[poser765]

Well in his admission guilt, he seems to make clear that wasn't going to be the case. I guess I never really thought about the attempted murder vs murder charge until right now.

I just pulled up his guilty plea: "did knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce a minor...."

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I'm all for a person being able to pay a debt to society and be free of that debt upon release. On the other hand the person I speak of above deserves to never be let out of prison. Just because he was caught prior to and the actual act did not occur should not absolve him from what would have happened to him if he got caught after the act. By his own admission.




Thanks for making me look that up. This particular case is an adult male to minor female. Also nothing in the case files suggest there was any pictures exchanged. It was all just about the text messages arranging the meeting itself.

I am VERY uncomfortable with the idea of the state being able to punish a crime not committed.

 

[derg]

I am VERY uncomfortable with the idea of the state being able to punish a crime not committed.

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[ppragman]

Power? Control?

I’d bet this is the case - power is like cocaine - people crave it once they’re addicted to it, and if they’ve got it’s rare for that baggy to go home empty at the end of the night…

Goes for politicians, bosses, petty mall tyrants, your various Karens, etc.