A simple request

Flying the Bonanza, I listen to the controllers up and down the east coast of Florida talk to students, and I almost have to sit and meditate somewhere.

Makes me itchy just being a 3rd party observer.
 
Derg said:
Nailed it.

The controller working my flight when I got a swift, very odd vector away from that out-of-control Embraer in super close proximity to us a few years ago was cool as a cucumber. I’m sure It smelled like poo around the scope tho.
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Was that the Compass flight that turned right instead of left back to LAX? I never figured out which of my colleagues did that one, but the controller managed to insult that crew to every aircraft he gave panic vectors to.
 
jtrain609 said:
Was that the Compass flight that turned right instead of left back to LAX? I never figured out which of my colleagues did that one, but the controller managed to insult that crew to every aircraft he gave panic vectors to.
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Can’t you specify the turn direction on that FMS (I’m assuming that this was “turn left direct Los Angeles” and inevitably the airplane was all “oh right is the shortest way”)? Or am I thinking of [other-airplane] that had a < TURN DIRECTION L/R prompt on the direct page?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Can’t you specify the turn direction on that FMS (I’m assuming that this was “turn left direct Los Angeles” and inevitably the airplane was all “oh right is the shortest way”)? Or am I thinking of [other-airplane] that had a < TURN DIRECTION L/R prompt on the direct page?
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I think it was the other airplane. When I needed to go a specific direction I lead the turn with the heading bug until I was sure the FMS was going to go where I wanted.
 
NovemberEcho said:
it’s enough of a difference that when I’m working departure, if I’m building in some time I will give turn left direct, and if I want it now I give a heading when able direct and the difference is noticeable. Probably about a 700-1000 foot altitude difference on average when the turn starts.
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Of course thats true. If you check back you'll see I've only been talking about a turn to heading, not entering the direct in the FMS. At least one person suggested a turn to heading involved a lot of button pushing and time,
 
I thought it was standard practice to go as fast as you can everywhere no matter what. Damn it. Cost index? Lets make it speed index!! 340 in the climb! .80 to 320 in the decent, 250 to 10 DME! LANDING GEAR DOWN FULL SPEED BRAKE! FLAPS 5!!!!! CLINK CLINK CLINK CLINK CLINK....




- that's sarcasm for you pirates out there.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Of course thats true. If you check back you'll see I've only been talking about a turn to heading, not entering the direct in the FMS. At least one person suggested a turn to heading involved a lot of button pushing and time,
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In our aircraft you can go to a Heading mode using the FMS, as well as taking the FMS out of the loop and using the heading bug directly. Using the FMS in heading mode definitely takes longer to set up, and in certain cases I’ve seen the box start the turn in the wrong direction, then casually reverse the turn to the proper direction. Could swear I heard ATC heart attack symptoms over-the-air…
 
Crockrocket94 said:
I thought it was standard practice to go as fast as you can everywhere no matter what. Damn it. Cost index? Lets make it speed index!! 340 in the climb! .80 to 320 in the decent, 250 to 10 DME! LANDING GEAR DOWN FULL SPEED BRAKE! FLAPS 5!!!!! CLINK CLINK CLINK CLINK CLINK....




- that's sarcasm for you pirates out there.
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“You just yee’d your last haw.”

- a FOQA guy somewhere, probably
 
Yeah, between the FDAP stuff and the plane calling HQ and telling on you, most guys have chilled out and fly it a bit more chill.
 
jtrain609 said:
Was that the Compass flight that turned right instead of left back to LAX? I never figured out which of my colleagues did that one, but the controller managed to insult that crew to every aircraft he gave panic vectors to.
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Nah it was that night in ATL when the 175 had a loss of control event. Panic vectors and a squealing RA.

That was surreal.

If you hear “did he make it?” on ATL DP, that was me.
 
Derg said:
A couple days ago while on a large, western ATC sector:

Me: “Hear how the controller is starting to step on some of the aircraft, the voice is getting higher and higher and they’re speaking faster and faster?”
Trainee Captain: “Yeah, weird”
Me: “Here comes the…”
LA: (gives another aircraft a 45 degree turn)
Me: “…panic vector!“
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You could at least say hi when you fly through my airspace....
 
mshunter said:
Oh we're not supposed to use those. These things fly themselves now.
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it’s like casino slot machines. They have a handle still on the side of them, but nobody pulls the handle, they all press the lighted button to spin the wheels on the machine now. And many of them still have the coins bin on the bottom center where the coins would drop into…..but coins aren’t a thing anymore. Nor are the dirty coin cups that used to sit all around the machines that smokers would use for ashtrays.
 
MikeD said:
it’s like casino slot machines. They have a handle still on the side of them, but nobody pulls the handle, they all press the lighted button to spin the wheels on the machine now. And many of them still have the coins bin on the bottom center where the coins would drop into…..but coins aren’t a thing anymore. Nor are the dirty coin cups that used to sit all around the machines that smokers would use for ashtrays.
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This job would be alot more fun if we had a coin dispenser drop our pay after every flight.
 
MikeD said:
it’s like casino slot machines. They have a handle still on the side of them, but nobody pulls the handle, they all press the lighted button to spin the wheels on the machine now. And many of them still have the coins bin on the bottom center where the coins would drop into…..but coins aren’t a thing anymore. Nor are the dirty coin cups that used to sit all around the machines that smokers would use for ashtrays.
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I miss those simple days...
 
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