Mexican Air Force Learjet 45XR, Xalapa Airport, Mexico

KLB said:
...second one within a week. :(
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They ended up a long way past the end of the runway (down a pretty steep drop off). Looks to me like, if it were a rejected take-off, they may have been well past V1 when they decided it wasn’t going to fly.
 
SteveC said:
They ended up a long way past the end of the runway (down a pretty steep drop off). Looks to me like, if it were a rejected take-off, they may have been well past V1 when they decided it wasn’t going to fly.
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It looks that way. Perhaps in briefly went airborne aftet going through the curb.
 
SteveC said:
They ended up a long way past the end of the runway (down a pretty steep drop off). Looks to me like, if it were a rejected take-off, they may have been well past V1 when they decided it wasn’t going to fly.
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Yeah, and no apparent skid marks either. And why does the runway have two sets of runway numbers/piano keys?

BTW - this makes me appreciate even more so the person who filmed in landscape in the San Diego incident.
 
Interesting that in a lot of these pictures, the main hatch is still closed and they're trying to break out the cockpit windows. Is the hatch that difficult to open from the outside?

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Mexican Air Force plane crashes near airport, killing 6

A Mexican Air Force plane burst into flames Sunday as it crashed near an airport in the eastern state of Veracruz, killing all six people on board, local officials said. The cause of the crash was not immediately known. The accident happened at around 9:45 a.m. on Sunday when the Learjet 45XR...
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Murdoughnut said:
Interesting that in a lot of these pictures, the main hatch is still closed and they're trying to break out the cockpit windows. Is the hatch that difficult to open from the outside?

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Mexican Air Force plane crashes near airport, killing 6

A Mexican Air Force plane burst into flames Sunday as it crashed near an airport in the eastern state of Veracruz, killing all six people on board, local officials said. The cause of the crash was not immediately known. The accident happened at around 9:45 a.m. on Sunday when the Learjet 45XR...
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Normally not difficult to open. Probably jammed from fuselage twisting/bending.
 
Murdoughnut said:
BTW - this makes me appreciate even more so the person who filmed in landscape in the San Diego incident.
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Man, everyone's a critic. That was half a dozen men who did the important work of zooming to the accident scene so they could film it, and here you are disparaging their noble efforts.
 
Murdoughnut said:
Yeah, and no apparent skid marks either. And why does the runway have two sets of runway numbers/piano keys?

BTW - this makes me appreciate even more so the person who filmed in landscape in the San Diego incident.
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Displaced threshold. It looks like they just painted over the threshold marking and RW number, but it’s been worn off a bit.

Has anybody seen pics on the wings? Seeing that RH reverser stowed makes me think of the CAE LR60, but this was a big-wheel Lear.
 
I see the Mexican government are the not so proud holders of 66% of all Lear 45 fatal accidents. Meatloaf was wrong, 2/3 is pretty bad :(
 
Very little fuselage compression is required in order to jam cabin doors and emergency exit hatches. These doors are flush with the surrounding structure for pressurization purposes and have next to no room for flex and still be operational In any normal sense

Glass shattering tool and even manual axe aren’t going to work on those forward windscreens, such as being seen in the news article. Need to be getting the K12 saw into action there. Although the accident impact itself appears to have been very survivable, the lack of useable exits and the post crash fire are factors to the the cabin/cockpit very rapidly becoming a non-survivable environment for both thermal and toxic reasons.

K12 in use cutting tempered windscreen and posts:

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Curious @MikeD, what would you have done if you'd shown up in the video? I'm guessing those dudes in the front were DRT, from smoke inhalation if not impact forces, but interested to hear from a pro on the subject.
 
Here, it can easily be seen the non-survivable nature of the wreckage by this time. It appears that at some point, through one of the fuselage break points, that at least one person from the cabin area did egress the aircraft, but most likely once there was already intense fire and toxic fumes, as their facedown deceased body can be seen at about 0:25 next to the fuselage break where the leading edge of the wing would connect to the fuselage. Reinforcing this being a likely survivable accident impact-force wise, but non-survivable very shortly thereafter due to thermal and toxic factors.

 
Boris Badenov said:
Curious @MikeD, what would you have done if you'd shown up in the video? I'm guessing those dudes in the front were DRT, from smoke inhalation if not impact forces, but interested to hear from a pro on the subject.
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You’re talking me showing up fully equipped?
 
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